Jordyn Jureczki on Veteran Mental Health, Addiction Recovery, and Finding Purpose After Service | Security Halt! Podcast Ep. 437

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What happens when the uniform comes off, but the internal battle continues?

In Episode 437 of the Security Halt! Podcast, Jordyn Jureczki shares her deeply personal journey from Navy veteran and law enforcement officer to advocate for veterans and first responders struggling with trauma, addiction, and mental health challenges.

This conversation explores the realities many veterans face after service — unresolved trauma, emotional isolation, addiction, and identity loss — while highlighting the importance of faith, community, mentorship, and accountability in rebuilding purpose and healing.
 Jordyn opens up about sobriety, resilience, Native warrior traditions, and the lessons she’s learned helping others navigate life after military service.
 
 Why This Matters

Too many veterans and first responders continue to suffer in silence from PTSD, addiction, depression, and identity loss. This episode highlights the importance of authentic conversations, strong support networks, and practical healing strategies that can help save lives.

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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Frontline Healing and Personal Stories
 05:56 Finding Community and Healing at Warriors Heart
 11:29 Transitioning to Leadership and Purpose
 18:53 Overcoming Alcohol and Embracing Sobriety
 21:05 Navigating Fundraising and Community Support
 26:01 Embracing Failure and Growth
 26:52 Support for First Responders
 27:56 Challenges in Nonprofit Work
 29:12 Changing Perspectives in Law Enforcement
 30:19 Understanding Trauma Beyond Combat
 32:44 The Importance of Treatment Centers
 35:12 Breaking the Stigma of Mental Health
 36:49 Sharing Experiences for Healing
 39:11 Championing Law Enforcement
 40:54 Building a Supportive Community
 42:51 The Reality of Nonprofit Work
 45:21 Reflections on Personal Growth
 46:35 Overview of Warrior's Heart and Dear Hollow
 51:23 How to Seek Help and Support
 52:48 Encouraging Conversations About Sobriety
 
 
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Transcript

Navy Detour And Anger

SPEAKER_00 0:00

I went into the Navy with special warfare contract. I went in as a diver and didn't make it through school. So I got sent to Japan, uh, 18 years old, just a few months in the Navy, and uh sent to Japan with no jobs. So I chip grinded and painted for uh a little over a year before um I was able to pick up a rate. Um and that was uh I worked on radars um for the final three years of my contract and I was angry. I was um, you know, mad at everybody except for the person who was responsible, which was myself, right? And so got out of the Navy with a really bad attitude. My drinking just got heavier and heavier. And um I was working one night and half half-assed, kind of studying for a test, and uh there was a police constable that worked at my bar. He said, Hey, what are you going to school for? I said, uh criminal justice. And he goes, Why? I said, Well, I want to be a cop because you know you don't have to do that, right? I said, Absolutely no. I did not know I didn't have to do that. So um went to the police academy in San Antonio, uh, got picked up by uh one of the local agencies and uh started working as an officer and uh loved it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Jordan, welcome to Secured How Podcast. How's it going?

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Good, how are you?

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Doing well. It's a pleasure to have you here today to talk about something that I am absolutely uh a passionate advocate for, which is getting every resource I can find onto the show to share it with the audience. And um, frontline healing is uh a remarkable foundation. I've heard lots of great things, and today I want to dive into that story, how it started and where it's going. But more importantly, I want to dive into your story because when we can look at the person and the people behind the organization, identify that they're actually a real living human being with a passion for this work. Uh, it makes it easier for people to say, you know what? I'm gonna reach out, I'm gonna connect.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

So take it away. Tell us about yourself.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Um, well, where to start? So um I'm a Navy veteran. Uh I did four years in the Navy. Um, that's kind of where this all started for me. Uh I went into the Navy with a uh special warfare contract. I went in as a diver and didn't make it through school. So um that was pretty uh destructive as an 18-year-old girl, um, not knowing what she wanted out of life, thinking, you know, I'm a mediocre high school athlete. Clearly I'm good enough for this, right? And uh sometimes I look at the athlete that I am now and and go back and I had absolutely no business being where I was. So uh yeah, when into the Navy, obviously that was a huge blow um to my self-concept, um, immediately going in and and not making it through that school and the Navy, um, unlike other branches, I think, um, and I don't know, just speaking from experience, but when you don't make it through one of those schools, you go what's called undesignated. Um, so you go to a ship with no job. Yeah. And uh so I got sent to Japan, uh, 18 years old, just a few months in the Navy, and uh sent to Japan with no job. So I chip grinded and painted for uh a little over a year before um I was able to pick up a rate. Um and that was uh I worked on radars um for the final three years of my contract, and I was angry. I was um, you know, mad at everybody except for the person who was responsible, which was myself, right? Um and so got out of the Navy with a really bad attitude, went into the only thing that I felt qualified for, which was bartending, um, which was fantastic for my situation.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

This sounds very familiar. I have a lot of absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

I mean, what else could uh four years in the Navy qualify me for other than uh being a professional with alcohol, right? Yep. So I was bartending for a while and uh honestly I was I was using my GI bill to pay my bills, not necessarily go to school. Um I was uh my my drinking just got heavier and heavier. And um, I was working one night and half half-ass kind of studying for a test. And uh there was a uh police constable that worked at my bar. He worked security for when we had concerts and stuff. He said, Hey, what are you going to school for? I said, uh criminal justice. And he goes, Why? Um I said, Well, I want to be a cop because you know you don't have to do that, right? I said, Absolutely no. I did not know I didn't have to do that. And I think I uh I signed up for the police academy on my phone behind the bar that night. So um went to the police academy in San Antonio, uh, got picked up by uh one of the local agencies and uh started working uh as an officer and uh loved it. Felt like it was my redemption with everything. Uh, you know, I did everything that I could possibly do in law enforcement. I went to every school that was offered, went to SWAT school, got on the team, um, and that that was that was my redemption. And uh, but personally, my life was still majorly falling apart. Um, I was still drinking very heavily, I was not doing well on the personal side,

Law Enforcement Redemption And Collapse

SPEAKER_00 5:00

and um that all kind of accumulated to a point where I was in a just crappy apartment all by myself, and um, I would take my gun apart every night and start drinking and hope that I got drunk enough to forget how to put it back together, which we carried Glocks, so that wasn't very uh that wasn't very difficult. Um, but at this point in my career, you know, I'd worked a lot of suicides and I knew what it looked like, I knew what it smelled like, I knew, you know, I just I didn't want anyone to find me that way, but I also knew what worked, right? And what didn't work. So um I I pretty clearly had a plan with it. Um, but I was scared and I didn't really want to do it. I just didn't want to be here anymore. Um, so just kind of plugged on, you know, I'd leave my my door open at night just in case so that nobody had to break down my door to come find me um if they needed to, because, you know, I wanted to be considerate to my landlord. Um but um I still continued to excel at work and and I think that was something that was different is I wanted I wanted to be good at work still, but personally I was falling apart. So um

Finding Warrior's Heart And Belonging

SPEAKER_00 6:10

I started training uh jujitsu um with uh a couple of guys from my department, and we went to a tournament in San Antonio one weekend, and at that tournament I met the owner of Warrior's Heart, which uh come to find out, Warrior's Heart was 30 minutes down the road from me. And Warrior's Heart is a private treatment center for substance use and post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain injury. And uh he invited me, he said, you know, we do jujitsu on Sundays with the guys that are in treatment. Why don't you come out sometime? So I started coming out to Warrior's Heart and I got very involved. I mean, you can't walk onto the property out there and not fall in love with what's going on out there. But I thought this is for them, not for me. This is for folks who did what you did in your military career, you know, people that actually did something that was that contributed to society. And I didn't feel like I qualified for that.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Man, and I want I want to pause and reflect on that moment right there, real quick, because uh one thing about this show is we like to kill the myths. And man, I gotta tell you right now, one of the the largest groups of individuals suffering right now are our veterans that are in that that early, you know, I call them young adults, but they punch their ticket, they're they're in their early 20s, you know, and they're suffering and they feel exactly what you just said. I'm not worthy of this. Those guys are like, no, bullshit. Dude, whether you went to fucking combat or you sat on a fucking ship, you stepped up to the plate and you signed, man. Like that's that's one of the biggest things that is killing a lot of people. They feel they don't belong in the tribe, and that's the most beautiful thing. Outside of the college, outside of the lived experience, outside of being able to travel the world and see things, when you come into the space, when you raise your hand and you sign up for service, you immediately are part of this brother and part of this warrior tribe. And we need to embrace that. We need to understand that, like, that experience, like you may not have gone through the pipeline and course you wanted, but Jordan, just like every other young man and young woman out there that feel that same, that same pain of like, I didn't get to do that thing I really want to do, brother, sister, like you're supposed you're still part of the team, you're still part of the gang. Like, you you raised your hand, you're still part of it, and it causes so much pain. And I I I can I can see that version of yourself walking in and seeing all those individuals and being like, man, like of course it's inspirational, but you gotta understand, like, you're part of the tribe. I mean, like, that is just such such a powerful thing for us to understand. Like, everything that we can do to bring everybody into the fold, man. It's so important. That's why I wanted to stop you and let you know, like, everything that you're doing now and everything that you've done before, uh you could have just done one year, still part of the team, baby, still part of the team.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

And that's something that you know, I've I've come to realize now, and I still I still kind of cringe a little bit when people say thank you for your service, right? I uh it's uh it's an uncomfortable thing because I struggle. I still hold on to that, right? But that's something that, you know, uh Tom Spooner, one of the other co-founders of Warrior's Heart, you know, he did 20 years, uh, he was the most elite unit he could have been a part of. And, you know, he he looked at me one day, he said, no, this place is for you. This place is for all of us. And uh, and that was that was just mind-boggling to me. It's like, do you know who I am? Like, you don't you don't have any clue who I am. So, and and I've come to realize that we do this to ourselves. Nobody else has ever said that to me. Where are we getting that from? You know? Nobody else has ever said that. So yeah, no, absolutely. I think uh I think it's important that we we express that to our brothers and sisters who have served because um because we're just sitting there doing it to ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Yeah, yeah, and it hit me the other day when I was talking to an older veteran too, a Navy vet. This episode of Security Hall is brought to you by Dr. Taylor Bosley and Persistian Wellness Group. Let's be real. By now, a lot of New Year's resolutions have already fizzled out, life gets busy, motivation drops, and health ends up on the back burner. But here's the truth: there's no better time to start than right now. Persistent Wellness Group specializes in hormone optimization and hormone health, delivering personalized care and treatment right to your door. If you've been dealing with low energy, brain fog, poor sleep, or stalled performance, hormone imbalance, maybe the missing piece, Dr. Taylor Bosley and his team take a data-driven, individualized approach to help you get back to operating at your best. Secured Hall Listeners received 25% off their initial consultation when they use Security Hall 25 at checkout. Click the link in the episode description to find out more and get started today. Also, oddly enough, a radar tech. And this gentleman is he's senior to me by by a lot of years, and he was talking about his journey, talking about everything he'd gone through, and he felt like he didn't deserve to be embraced because he didn't have like, hey, I missed out on, you know, I wasn't part of Desert Storm, I wasn't part of any like campaign. I just sat on the ship and I did my job, and I'm like, dude, that's all we needed you to do. Like, that is all we ever needed you to do was sign up, be willing to serve, and be passionate about it. Because when he talked about his job, I didn't know anything about it, but it sounded like the coolest friggin' thing to hear somebody that's been so far. I mean, this has been like 20, 30 years since he's been in, and he still talked about his job, like he could sit in that ship and do it and perform at a high like a high high level. And I'm like, dude, that's it. That right there, you loved what you did. You showed up, and for your chain of command, for the people around you, they were better for having you because you were passionate about the job. Because you, yeah, at the end of the day, no one's writing that story, no one's making a movie about that. But that dude sitting there for 20 minutes just rattling off everything he did and how passionate he was when he was in service. I'm like, dude, that's it. That's what we need. We have campaigns for every ranger or SF dude or SEAL. What we need is actual representation and actual like videos of what service could look like in other professions. So we definitely need that.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

And that's, I think that's what kind of ultimately led me to this position. So the more and more time that I spent at Warriors Heart, they just started inviting me to things. Like they're very big on um personal development for the staff as well. So while the guys are in treatment getting healing, they want their staff to be improving their lives as well. Because um, you know, if you're just telling somebody to do something, they're not gonna have respect for you if you're not walking the walk. So um they started inviting me out to all these personal development courses and um I came in willing. And I really think now that that's what um that's why the opportunities kept being presented to me because I was open to it, I was open to learning, I was teachable, you know, and uh and I wanted to be there, I wanted to be a part of it. Um so as we as we progressed through it, um about three years ago, um, what was formerly the Warriors Heart Foundation um had to make a name change and kind of separate themselves from Warriors Heart because folks got confused. They thought that Warriors Heart itself was a nonprofit, which it is not. They accept insurance, VA, Tri-Care, all that. Um, so the the foundation was always separate, um, but they needed the name change to uh to make that clearer. So um when that happened, they had the opportunity to bring on one full-time employee. And I kind of came to that realization at that point that, you know, maybe God had prepared me for this position. Maybe I was never actually meant to be in the military. Maybe I had never actually meant to be in law enforcement. It was just all a stepping stone to qualify me to be in this position. Um, because this is truly what I'm passionate about. And um, so yeah, I just kind of jumped into that role.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Man, that is that is a powerful, powerful connection to make that a lot of

Purpose Through Frontline Healing Work

SPEAKER_01 14:00

us spent a long time finally getting clarity to understand that like your journey was your journey to get to where you're at. A good, bad, and the ugly. It's all part of it. And you mentioned faith. Um if you don't mind, you mind if we dive into that a little bit. Because I have a feeling that like a lot of us, it's not something that we followed and it was a linear path. Maybe it came through some uh trials and tribulations.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

It did, definitely. I mean, I grew up um my household wasn't my dad was raised Catholic, but he didn't he didn't stay in church when I was growing up or anything. My mom um was never really interested in any any of it, but I would there was a church within walking distance of my house. So when I was a kid, I'd walk to church alone because I was I was curious about it, you know, and I always uh felt this draw to it. And then through my time in the Navy, um there was there was really no faith, no, no involvement in that. When I got out, definitely not because I was the epitome of everything that you should not be. Um and so uh only I would say very recently, I'm coming up, uh my husband and I have been married for coming up on four years, and uh he's he's a devout Catholic. And um at first I I kind of butted heads with it, like um, yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna go. Do y'all even read from the Bible? You know, do you know what you're talking about? And uh, but I would go because I his family, um, you know, he's he's seventh generation in the town that we live in. The church was built by his family members. 70% of that cemetery is our last name. And um, I felt this this deep connection to the church. Um, so started really diving in headfirst with it. And I I can say that it's there's nowhere else I'd rather be now. Um I uh I'm actually starting my uh official OCIA here in the next couple months. Uh I've never been baptized, so um, yeah, I'm very excited about it.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Yes, awesome. Another one for the Catholic family. I knew it. I knew it. Yeah, it's um I always tell people it's mind, body, and spirit, and we can, you know, we can focus our entire early adulthood forging the body. Like we want to be fit, we want to be prepared for that selection assessment, we don't want to fail that PT test, we want to look good when we go on vacation. The body's like always tip top shape, and then something happens. We get injured, and then the body isn't a hundred percent, and then the mind starts to really chip away. Anxiety, depression, all these things come to bear, and then there's no other pillar for us to sustain ourselves, so then we find ourselves falling by the wayside, whether it's addiction, whether it's it's another thing that's that's soaking up by energy and consumption and making us

Faith And The Mind Body Spirit Pillars

SPEAKER_01 16:50

a slave to it, you name it, there's tons of stuff out there that we can fall victim to. But when we really take some time and start building on all three, that's when we realize, like, wow, like if I just build each one of these pillars to 70%, no matter what rocks me, no matter what I go through, I have something to go to. And I always saw that when I looked back and like I studied my life, I looked at those leaders ahead of me that never had those moments of crisis, or or if they did, we never saw them because they never fell apart. And I realized they were men of faith. And uh in your journey, when you look back, and and is there anybody that you look to or any any mentor you had along the way that you were like, now that I look at it, like that person was deeply rooted in all three of their pillars.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Hmm. Um, no, I mean I can tell you that I I just told my husband the other day that I I look up to him so much through it because uh when we met, he had already been sober for co close to 10 years. Um, and I most certainly was not. Um I don't know how he got through it, honestly, and I don't know why he stuck with it, but um, there was never a moment where he said, you know, you need to, you need to get your life together. Um, it was just sort of surrounding me with love and giving me again opportunities to uh make that decision for myself, which I did. And June will be, uh I'm sorry, in a week will be five years uh that I've been sober. Um and he did the same thing with faith, you know, it wasn't ever, you know, you have to be Catholic because I'm Catholic. It was, um, hey, I'm gonna go to Mass. Um, I would love for you to come with me. And he allowed me to kind of have that journey myself. And now we have this ability to have these open conversations about it and talk about things that I never thought um, I never thought, you know, married couples talked about. I don't didn't know we sat down and had conversations about Jesus over dinner. Um, and not in this tacky way, but just genuine like, I don't know, faith and love um and having conversations about these things and it has made our relationship just all that much better.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

Yeah, I I constantly call my my wife the oracle of the family because we'll get into like discussions about saints. And uh, I mean, and it goes back to you know her family. Her or my mother-in-law is the most incredible woman on earth. Like, she is I mean, you play Jeopardy with that woman, you're not gonna win. You play, you play Jeopardy against that woman, and it's about the Catholic faith, and you're definitely gonna walk away schooled. But my wife, my wife is now like that that institute, that pillar of intelligence when it comes to our faith at the house, and it's like, man, I gotta, I gotta step my game up. Like, I need to know these things. I need to know all these different saints and what what I need to pray of. And it's it's amazing when you have that in your life because I didn't have that that foundational family where it was like you go to church, you work on on the spirit. You know, I had a very rough, rough childhood, rough upbringing. But when we meet that person in our life that can walk this journey with us and help us not only be better and stronger, but connect us deeper into our faith is really important. And and I know I I used to always be like, Oh, I can't really talk about this. I'm like, but I I feel a change, man. I really do feel a change in the culture in our country right now where people meet I know for a fact now that this was you know, this is not a uh you know, a a chance connection, a fast connection, a fast reply on LinkedIn. And I'm seeing it all throughout my my social media, people that I follow, everybody's being able to talk more openly. And there's a strong correlation with people finding sobriety and following their following that to get into their faith. And when you look at your journey,

Choosing Sobriety Without Losing Community

SPEAKER_01 20:40

when you look at alcohol and everything that it it it gave you, how difficult was it to finally say, Hey, you know what? I'm done with this thing.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Uh I think I saw what it was doing to to folks around me. Um, you know, the last night that I drank was at a friend's wedding. I was a bridesmaid.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

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SPEAKER_00 21:20

I'm not a fun drunk. I'm not a mean drunk. I'm a sad drunk. So I just go to my darkest places when I start drinking, and I was just crying uncontrollably. I mean, how selfish, you know. This is the happiest day of my friend's life, and here I am sobbing in the corner. Um it just it it disgusted me. And I I don't remember the majority of that night, but I know that I woke up the next day and I said, I'm done. I don't want this anymore. Um, I here I am, a part of this thing that's bigger, because I'm already at Warrior's Heart at this point, and I'm already surrounded by these folks that are doing better, right? But that that wasn't for me. That was for them. And um I I made that decision that night that well the next morning that you know it was for me. And that if if I was gonna truly be a part of something like this and I was gonna embody these principles, then I needed to uh I needed to take part in it myself. And I know that alcohol for me, it's just not something that I can do. And uh when we talk about like the foundation and about Warrior's Heart, people kind of get standoffish, like, oh, do I have to hide my drink from you? Like, I don't have a problem with alcohol. I just had a problem with alcohol. I can't do it and I can't do it well. So um my life has been a linear progression of success ever since that decision. And um I'm pretty grateful for it.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Yeah. And it's you know, it's I'm glad you brought that up because people tend to think like, oh, these organizations, these these treatment centers and nonprofits, they they're they're completely against alcohol. They're completely it's like, no, it's it's not something that our our customer base needs in their lives. Uh it's not something that has worked for a lot of the people involved, but it's understanding that like, look, we're not trying to change your life. You this is your journey. You have to you have to go down this road on your own. When it comes to stepping into the leadership role, when it comes to fundraising, how has that been difficult for you to navigate that road? I mean, we just talked about it and just having that conversation. I know I I have had some difficult conversations with friends that are just like, oh, you think you're better than me now that you don't drink? I'm like, no, dude, not at all. That's kind of weird you're getting aggressive about it. But how's it been for you navigating that?

SPEAKER_00 23:39

I mean, from the fundraising aspect, I like to say that it sometimes it feels like I'm running on a treadmill because um every step forward, you know, there's there's just that many steps ahead. Um, but as far as the response from people, um, I I've seen that change too. I mean, even as far as like, uh, you know, we go to SHOT Show every year and um just that little like sober huddle in the corner of all the folks that, you know, we kind of see each other and we know. Um but that that group's getting bigger and and it's not judgy. It's not, it's just, hey, I'm gonna sit here and drink my club soda with lime and I'm gonna have just as much fun as everybody else. And I'm still gonna be a part of this because these are the people that I care about. Um and and some folks, they just kind of they arrive at that conclusion, same as like I did with my husband. They're like, hell, maybe, maybe this is something that I want to do. And it's it's not um, it's not thinking that you're better than anybody. It's hey, this is what's working for me, and I'm gonna continue to do all the same things. And uh, if you want to join, uh I I'm more than willing to help. But if you want to keep doing what you're doing, I'm still gonna love you.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Yeah. Yeah, I was uh that was my greatest fear. I got a friend that was like, we should go to SHOT Show. I'm like, mm, I don't know, man. Like a lot of a lot of aggressive, hyperactive uh operator types in one location with alcohol. Uh, you know, not for me. It's one of those things where you it's like the perfect mix for like violence and chaos. I'm like, no, no. Because there are people that like I've I've run into it. There are people that want to push the idea that now you can just have a drink. I'm like, I no, I don't want to. That's I don't want to, I don't need to. And they just won't leave it at that. And and I it's for me, the idea of going to SHOT Show and hanging there and and being around the the uh the craziness. I think somebody put a video out that was like, dude, it is okay to be sober at SHOT Show. You don't have to drink and you don't have to feel pressure, just have a good time. And I like to go to bed by like 8 p.m. when I can.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

I'm so glad that you brought that up because that's something that um that Jeremy Morton was sock f started last year. Um he put that video out talking about, and then uh Mikey Harden, who's now the program director there, and then Kyle Morgan, who's on our board, and I did one, and I it got such a fantastic response of just like, hey, if you're if you're hanging out at SHOT Show and this isn't your this isn't your scene anymore, you know, come find us. I feel like I've always got this protection of like Tom Spooner next to me, and folks are like, oh, you're one of Spooners and you don't drink. So uh I I do have that that shield around me at all times.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

It's good. I think there's there's um I think Rick Franco from Four Branches, uh bourbon, I mean, he's got the perfect outlook on it. Like I think our society and our our our military, our warrior culture, we got we got brought into this idea of drinking to forget, where it's more more of a hey, how about you you sip to remember? Uh when he when he taught when he said that to me on an episode, I was like, man, that's the right approach. Like we we had, we used to have this idea, this culture of like you sat around and you you drank a scotch with friends celebrating a big moment, a graduation, uh the birth of a child. But then for us, for our generation, for our GWAC culture, it became like this thing of like, let's get so messed up, we forget everything that we're going through and just make it a thing, escape, escape, escape, escape. And I've seen that with guys that are suffering. Um, just the other day, having a phone call with a friend, and he's just laughing, laughing hysterically, and then finally it hit. I'm like, oh, you're completely drunk. This isn't a call to like have fun and like reconnect. You're you're in a crisis, you're trying to relive the glory days. And I I've realized that that's something that a lot of people don't understand. Sometimes the fun drunk is uh also somebody that's suffering greatly.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

Absolutely. And that's you brought up reliving too. Like obviously, um I I had a lot of what-ifs. Like, I I what if I could go back, maybe I'll go back, maybe I'll try again, maybe I'll get it right this time, you know. But I think any of us can do that with our careers. We look back and we think of things we could have done differently and um and wanting to go back to that and do it better now with our lived experiences. And uh, you get stuck in that cycle instead of just living forward, you know, and that's that's gonna be dangerous at any time.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's understanding that, or at least having somebody that can help us with that understanding because I knew I didn't want to hear any of that when I was a young man. Like a door closing or an opportunity missed was like catastrophic. Uh now I look at every failure and and almost to a detriment, like every bad thing is like, oh, this is an opportunity. It's like you know, it'll be better. I'm like, no, some things are just shitty. Some things just kind of suck. You just you can't be an optimistic about everything, Denny. But it's it's important to understand that, yeah, like it's okay for things to suck, man. Not everything is gonna be this great, great, wonderful day. That's what makes the great days so much better. Um, but it's it's hard to get that across.

Getting First Responders Real Resources

SPEAKER_01 29:00

But I want to I want to pivot now and talk about the the work you're doing. Our law enforcement uh our LEOs, our first responders, they don't have a lot of of the same resources as a guy leaving special operations or in special operations. Um I was very, very fortunate that my career took me to Seventh Special Forces Group. Because when I got injured, when I needed help, there was a lot of resources. P3, Thor, go to Star Program, go to Intrepid Spirit. Um absolutely blessed, absolutely, and people love to help that demographic. If we look at our street cops, if we look at the guys and gals that are on the front lines every single day, every morning when they walk out that door, they don't know what they're getting into. For the longest time, I was under the mis uh misunderstanding that they just had the same access to the same resources. And come to find out, that's not the case. Like, how has it been trying to grow the nonprofit, trying to create support systems for these individuals that need support? Stories shape culture, they build trust. And when they're told the right way, they move people to action. That's what we do at Security Hall Media. We don't just produce content, we create authentic, impactful, and purpose-driven storytelling. Podcasters, nonprofits, brands, and leaders who are on a mission. For people who've lived real experiences and want their message to actually matter, from podcast production and video to strategic storytelling and distribution. We help you clarify your voice, elevate your brand, and connect with the audience you're trying to serve. You have a story worth telling and a purpose behind it. Security Hall Media is here to help you tell it the right way. Click the link in the episode description to learn more today.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Yeah, it's been difficult. I mean, I I kind of like to think that, you know, everything starts at soft and then works its way down, right? And uh so we're we're a part of all of that. And that's what's neat about this is you know, we're part of the soft care coalition. We're um, you know, we're involved with uh SOCF is one of our big partners. They provide funding for all of our uh soft guys that are needing help. So I I know with confidence that when we get a soft guy that applies for help, I have all the resources, right? Um now, when we get a law enforcement officer that asks for help, those resources dwindle very quickly. And that's something that's unique about our our foundation is that we cast such a wide net. So we will, we will support um active duty military, we'll will support uh pre-9-11, which uh a lot of folks don't know that pre-9-11 there's not a lot of resources out there for either. Um, but I think one of the one of the big things I've seen is just having conversations. There's great, there's great leaders in law enforcement that are kind of changing their perspective on this. And again, like soft down to law enforcement. I think they're looking at it more as we've made this investment into this person. Um, and if they're struggling right now, instead of cutting ties and set starting over again, maybe we can uh, you know, help them out, get them the help they need, and maintain this investment. Because that's something that even I heard, you know, I like to joke that civilization fell off at the West uh county line of where I worked because uh it's kind of still the wild west out there. I think they got rid of their revolvers uh in like 2015. So, you know, no computers in the cars, and uh I carried a lasso because I needed that more than I needed my gun most of the time. No way. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh it's a little rowdy out here still, but uh That's pretty badass. But it's still very much so that mentality of like, well, I did it, so why can't you do it? You know, but yeah, did you do it well or did you do 30 years in law enforcement, retire, have a heart attack, and die because you never addressed any of the issues that you any of the things you saw, you know, you you drank when you came home, you forgot about it the next day, you showed up to work and on repeat for the entire 30 years that you were in. And I think that's something that folks are waking up to is that our law enforcement, you know, military, you have you have your deployment, you go off, you have experiences, right? But then you come home and home is home. Um, but you know, like for me, I uh I don't go to that grocery store anymore. I go to that grocery store because I worked in undercover on that a guy at that grocery store, and I don't particularly want to see him again after that, you know? Um and I think I think folks are really waking up to that. And so conversations with with the leaders at different agencies and just kind of explaining to them what we do, and then most importantly, having them out at the treatment centers that we support. So Warriors Heart and Deer Hollow are our two main treatment centers that we support. And I love giving tours to uh to the brass, right? Because they they hear they hear rehab and they like recoil at the thought of it. But I would so much rather, and this goes for the military as well, I would so much rather send a guy to a 42-day training on how to get through the problems that he's having, as opposed to have the DWI that's on the news and that brings so much attention and and horror to the to the the agency, because the fact of the matter is if a guy's struggling, there's no difference between him and the guy that's on the news aside from he didn't get caught yet.

SPEAKER_01 34:30

Absolutely. Like that's man, it's important to have that that sort of interaction, showing them what's going on. Um we need it with our military leaders too. That's the if you're not taking a walk through these treatment centers, if you're not going to starve, if you're not going to Trepid Spirit, if you're not going to prep down in Tampa and seeing A, the population, because a lot of people uh tend to think like, oh, it's these guys trying to scapegoat, and then you realize it's like you got senior E8s, E7s, uh officers going through there for treatment and care. It's war and the preparation for war are going to leave a mark on you. We know that. Um and when it comes to law enforcement, same thing. Like you can't go to these places and not be moved when you see the impact on the human being, and I think that's what's needed. It's one thing to see and get briefed on a sheet of paper of where individuals are going, and it's easy to just turn your nose up and be like ah, whatever, rub some dirt on it, you'll be fine. Go to those centers, take a walk, see and hear the stories of individuals that are suffering, but more importantly, how they're healing. Because that's the thing that we can we can overcome a lot of this stuff. Like it's not forever.

Trauma Beyond Combat And Shootings

SPEAKER_00 35:40

Absolutely. And I think the thing that people, the misconception a lot of folks have is that that it is combat or for law enforcement, it's shootings, right? Or shootings or uh school shootings, you know, these these violent, uh, violent events that that's what really gets to folks. But uh, I know it's kind of tacky, but I always like to refer to uh the movie Fury. I like to watch it whenever I need a good cry, you know. Um, but Shia LaBeouf says it, wait till you see it, what one man can do to another man. And that's that's truly what I think shakes a lot of folks is when they see the unnatural things. Like for me, it was car wrecks. Car wrecks are I I still have you know thoughts about car wrecks that I worked in. I know our firefighters, EMTs, uh, and police officers, you know, they're seeing these wrecks every single day. We had a major stretch of I-10. I mean, it was constant. Um, these just horrible car wrecks. And, you know, they think for that, they're like, oh, well, I I don't I don't qualify to go get, I don't have PTS, I wasn't in a shooting, I wasn't in combat, you know. Um, but seeing seeing that unnatural violence day in and day out, that's gonna wear on anyone.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

Yes, absolutely. I'm so glad you brought that up. Um hearing individuals try to compare the trauma or diminish their lived experience because it wasn't in combat is one of the most heartbreaking things. Like I I've sat there and talked with, you know, a police officer, great dude, remarkable dude, just not only pours into you know, volunteering for for soft organizations, doing amazing work, but you have this moment of talking about I can never do what you guys are doing. You're you're incredible heroes. And then we start talking, and just because he was suffering from wanting to get this out, shares a story that is deeply imp I mean, just what he went through, what he saw, what he dealt with, and I looked at him, I'm like, brother, most people deploy four or five times and they never see something like what you just described. Like that's incredibly impactful. That that's the you need help for that. You need to be able to sit down and get treatment for that. And I think that's something that a lot of officers and and and EMTs and everybody in that front line here in the back home, they don't understand that just because it's it's here in the United States doesn't make it any less important to talk about and get and and get it off, get it off your shoulders and get treatment for and get get on the other side of it. Like that stuff is trauma. It will wear on you. You're carrying 137 pounds of extra kit that you don't need, like being able to sit down and get help, otherwise, it's gonna fester. It's gonna lead to some of the things that we've we've already seen in the communities drug and alcohol and other sorts of abuse. It's so it's so important for people to realize that just because you experience it here at home doesn't make it any less impactful. Like it's still painful, it's still thing, it's still troubling you. You're carrying this pain. You gotta get help.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

Absolutely. And uh I think we talk about the pr progression of what we now call as PTS or PTSD. Um, but one of the big things that we talk about at Warriors Heart is uh we do a thing called the Warriors Experience where um we go down and one warrior shares um their experience, right? And and the reason that we do that is because we look back to uh, you know, Native American tribes and how when the Warriors would go off and they'd fight, right? They'd come back and they'd share those experiences with the tribe. So then they weren't carrying in them themselves. Um and and that was different too, because obviously the folks that were still um the tribe that stayed behind, they knew that if those warriors didn't go off and fight, they knew what was gonna happen to them if they didn't come back. Whereas I think the general population, you know, I think most folks are supportive of our veterans, they're supportive of our law enforcement, more so than um maybe the media might let us think. Um, but I don't, I don't think they have the full realization of what happens if those folks don't go out every day um and how quickly it'll all fall apart. So being able to give each other that recognition for it and and thank you uh to you for sharing that, you know, because hearing it from somebody like you um for a law enforcement officer that might be listening to this, that gives them permission. Yes, you know, and it's permission that they may not have felt they had.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

Absolutely. That's that's the truth. We we have to kill the myths. Um man, we wake up, we get the kid put our kids off to school and and kiss our wives and let them know, like, hey, have a great day, go about our business, and we don't think twice of the individuals that are out there keeping us safe. Like that's that's a reality. It it's we live in a time where police officers are not looked up, not looked up, uh uh not held to a higher light. They're not um they're you know, you look at all the things they've gone through in the last few years, the cutbacks, the the villainization of our police force, and these guys and gals are still willing to get up, put on a uniform, and still serve us and protect us. And if that doesn't make you take a step back and realize, like, holy cow, like that's the amount of responsibility and the lack of pay, the lack of respect, like you never see a police officer talk about how wonderful the community treats them on a daily basis. No, like it they're treated more often than not. If you get pulled over, you're aggravated. You're not gonna say it like, yep, you're right, I was speeding or I wasn't wearing my seatbelt. You're mad at the person for doing their job and enforcing the laws and keeping us safe. And every I mean, you turn on the news at any given moment, there's a situation, and it's never like, wow, today's news, great police officer does great work, and the entire community rallies around him. Everybody had a great day. No, it's it's completely the opposite. And these guys and gals, they deserve some respect. They deserve to be held up as the heroes that they are. And if we don't change our culture, if we don't share shit change the way that we speak about these individuals, like we're gonna continue to have the same negative stories shared over and over again, the same people. Like, it it's it's important that we have these discussions, it's important that we champion their causes because at the end of the day, when you need somebody in the States today, it's not gonna be a soldier, it's not gonna be a tier one operator that comes in. I'm not gonna be fast roping into your backyard to help you with your domestic disturbance. No, more often than not, it's a young 20-something individual that raises his hand and said, I want to, I want to help protect those in my hometown and my community. That's extremely admirable. We need to champion that. If we if we are willing to walk up to complete strangers just because they have a multi-can backpack at an airport and say, hey, thank you for your service, why the hell are you not doing the same thing for a uniformed officer in your community? Like, make it make sense.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, you know, I I hear those things. I do have to say that I was pretty blessed with where I worked. Um, you were not, I I would only get drive-thru because if I sat in a restaurant, um, I wasn't paying for it. So uh I think there are good folks out there, and uh, and I know that the community that I worked in was very supportive. So I'm grateful for that. And I I think folks are starting to see it. And uh, you know, we have we always have the things, you know. I don't live, I live but 30 minutes away from you, Valde. Um and I saw that I saw that all transpire, you know, and uh the response that we get and folks, but just like you said, you know, funding went away and the training's not there and it leaves it up to the individual. And uh it's pretty hard after, you know, working 12-hour shifts to say, hey, I need to go out and shoot today, I need to go out and work out today, I need to work on myself, I need to read, I need to, you know, go to church, I need to uh make myself better. But I think as this community sort of insulates itself and uh and builds each other up and stops um, you know, breaking each other down so much, that's something that I've just seen um in in the shooting world. You know, I've I've done a couple, we've done a couple shooting competitions as fundraisers and stuff like that. And by no means am I anti Oakley out here, right? I enjoy shooting. Um, but I'm I'm I'm no professional by any means. Um, but the mindset has shifted so much into hey, let's all just get better instead of you suck, you know? And uh and I think that's something really cool that's happening.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Yeah, I I love that. It it's it I definitely have seen that. And it's a more when you appraise when you embrace that mindset of let's just grow together uh as a community, as a group, as members of a team, like it's way better than the the uh the old adage that I grew up in as a young green bray of like you you fucking suck, stop sucking and figure it out. Like that is a method. It is, it's not it's not the most popular, but it is a method. I I think that um the the the supportive approach, especially when it comes to like trying to grow a movement and a following, because a nonprofit space is not easy, it is not freaking easy. I know this because I have the pleasure of working and supporting uh some nonprofits these days, but man, I gotta tell you, it's it's the most rewarding industry to be in because you see the impact it has on people's lives. Like being able to sit down and I want to hear from your perspective of being at the forefront, being a leader in an organization. Where you're at now today,

Nonprofit Leadership On The Hard Days

SPEAKER_01 45:30

leading you know, the charge, working in the space, how has that changed you as a human being? How does that change your heart and being able to wake up every day knowing that you have a clear mission of helping a demographic of individuals that by and large, you know, need a lot of care?

SPEAKER_00 45:47

It's um it's tough. I uh I definitely I'll wake up some days and I'm just in the lowest, like flipping tables over. I don't want to do this anymore. There's no point. And I and I feel like I have to speak openly about this because some folks think that it's just always motivation all the time, and it is certainly not. Like I'm fully ready to get in the car and go live on the ranch and never talk to another human being again. Um, but you know, then you get those opportunities like uh yeah, just yesterday, you know, we took uh a a mom and dad on a tour uh from a guy that uh went through Warrior's Heart, and they're both of the parents were retired master sergeants from the Air Force. And just to give them a hug and hear from them, like, this is this place is the reason that my son is still alive, and thank you. You know, um, that's that's that's the only reason. Um, you know, I may have screwed everything up in my life. I may have broken every other commandment that there was, right? But the one that I didn't is that we'll love each other. Um, and that's the one thing that I want to do, and I take into every single day is that I lived a long time thinking that that door, that opportunity, that somebody cared about me wasn't there. Um, that I was just, I was easily cast away. And if I can be for one person the voice that's saying, Hey, you're loved, you're cared about, and we're gonna take care of you, um, then then that's the only reason to keep going with this every day.

SPEAKER_01 47:14

Yeah, that's powerful. That is absolutely powerful. Uh it's they are lucky to have you on as a leader, and that's important to have people that are passionate, but under I mean, it's not like you said, it's not gonna be sunshine, rainbows, and lollipops all day. And you don't want that type of leader. You want you want somebody that's like, all right, today fucking sucks. It just it just does suck, but we're gonna get back in the fight tomorrow and we're gonna figure out a way to crush the the first quarter goals. Like we're gonna get the fundraising done, we're gonna take care of this next obstacle and challenge. And I think that you know, if we reflect back on your journey, if you were able to look back to that young 18, 18-year-old kid that wanted to have this aspiration of being an elite diver, like if you could go back and talk to her and be like, hey, like, I can't tell you what's about to happen, but I know it's gonna rock you, but just wait. Like, there's a lot of great things down the road. Um, what would you like to say to her?

SPEAKER_00 48:17

I think just that, you know, hey, uh, it's gonna suck for a couple of years. Um, and you're not gonna understand why. Um, but it's all gonna work out, and you, you know, you're gonna have the most incredible life that you could have ever asked for. I mean, I'm I'm so blessed to wake up every day the way that I do. And I'm have, you know, the honor of standing on the shoulders of giants, you know, uh to to have taken this mission from a man like Tom Spooner and um be given the opportunity to have relationships with the folks that have relationships with him because of the things that he's done, um, but but be able to build on it for myself, you know, um, and and never, never compare myself to him or the things that he's done, right? But be able to stand alongside him in this path, um, that that motivates me every day. And um 18-year-old Jordan would never understand that. So there's no point.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

Yeah, yeah. There's some things we we can't tell those 18-year-olds. We can just say, hey man, uh, it's gonna suck, but it's gonna get better. Yeah.

Warrior's Heart And Deer Hollow Explained

SPEAKER_01 49:21

You know, if um before I close out, if you could give us a little bit of um, you know, a breakdown of the two organizations, both Warrior Heart and Deer's Hollow.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

Yeah, sure. So uh Warrior's Heart is a uh private treatment center, uh dual diagnosis, so uh substance use primary, uh, have to have the substance use to be qualified to attend Warrior's Heart, and uh, but dual diagnosis and treating the PTS and the TBI simultaneously. So while you're in that 42 day AM patient, you're going to receive a substance use counselor and a trauma counselor, which you'll see simultaneously. Um so the mentality behind that is uh just through our experiences, right, when guys have committed that final act, um, usually they were under the influence of something. So whether that was the substance killing them first or the PTS killing them first, who cares? We'll treat them both simultaneously. Um so there's two locations for Warrior's Heart, one in Texas and one in Virginia. And um again, that 42-day minimum inpatient is what what we like to say because um you can extend, um, but that 42-day is kind of that sweet spot. They also have um outpatient treatment, sober living, and uh MERT uh or TMS brain treatment that they offer there as well. Uh Deer Hollow works nicely with it. They're out of Draper, Utah, and uh Deer Hollow is PTS primary. So they're trauma primary. It's an intensive uh trauma uh program. And they they even say we're not for everybody because you have to come in wanting uh to get better, and it's gonna be it's gonna be a tough road. I spent a week out there when we initially brought them on and said, you know, just throw me in. And uh and it was tough work and uh they do great stuff out there. So those are the two main facilities that we support. Um and the way that our foundation runs is we call uh what we give out hardships. So um if somebody is already looking at Warriors Heart, they've already made the call to Warriors Heart, they've already made the call to Deer Hollow, and now the funding piece comes up and they don't have insurance. Um, they have a large out-of-pocket, uh, the VA, even though both of those facilities are in the community care network, often they'll get denied community care referrals. So we'll step in for that. Um, or just on the law enforcement side or the active duty side, hey, I don't necessarily want my command to know that I'm going to get help. I just want to take leave and uh kind of come back afterwards, or I want to take FMLA. Um, and because of that, I don't have a means to pay for it. We'll step in for those as well because we know the stigma that's attached to it.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

That's incredible. And and you're right. Uh unfortunately, I have seen some some changes, but it's all com it's all because the uh the commanders. It's all because the people in this in the the billet, which we all know um doesn't last forever. But uh that's a big that's a big challenge that we're still fighting. So we can only hope that it continues to grow and change and adapt because it's not just about saving lives, it's about mission uh success. And at the end of the day, if you pour more money, more effort into the human being, you're gonna have mission success. And we have to look at mental health, mental resilience as something we have to invest time and effort and energy into. Uh, and this is a great place to send people. I've been blessed to be able to work with the Special Force Foundation, and every single person that we send to Warrior's Heart comes back saved, changed. I mean, the stories are always you're white knuckling to get the person there. The family's done, the wife is done, there's no hope for reconciliation. They go there, they come back, and they're changed. And next thing you see is like, oh, the family's still together. Oh, yeah, I know. Uh I I was a huge piece of shit. I'm getting help, and uh she's sticking through with me. She's seen the change, she's seen something worth investing time in. And I'm not saying that's for everybody, but I'm saying for a vast majority of the individuals that I have seen that go through there, it's their breaking point. It's the last, it's the last thing that they they had a chance to go, their last opportunity, and they come back and they're a hundred percent different, and the situation always gets better. You're not coming, I I I have yet to see somebody come out of there and say, I hated it, it's the worst experience ever. Don't send anybody. It's never that. It's never that. It's ever like I I needed this. This was my last shot. This was the opportunity, this is the final thing. And I've seen, man, there's something about our demographic of guys, like we're swindlers. We are good at with the gift of gab. We'll talk our way out of things, but nobody talks your way out of Warrior's Heart. There's you, you're not gonna be able to bullshit these people. So if you've got a family member, if you got a loved one that's really difficult, that has bullshitted them away out of previous treatment centers, trust me, he's they're not doing that here. Uh I I cannot thank you enough for everything that

How To Get Help And Pay For Care

SPEAKER_01 54:10

you guys have built there and for everything that you continue to do for our community. If somebody out there today wants to reach out and they're ready for treatment, where can they go, Jordan?

SPEAKER_00 54:19

So they can go to the Warriors Heart website, the 1-800 number on there. I know people always feel like they have to avoid the 1-800 number somehow, but when you call that number, you are not going to get a uh a call center in India. You're gonna get uh you're gonna get somebody who was either a veteran or first responder themselves or have family members who have struggled with addiction. So they know uh they know what you're going through and they're gonna walk you through the entire process. Uh same for Deer Hollow. You call that number and uh both of those are available on their website, and I'll send them to you as well so that you can post them. Um, but they're gonna they're gonna walk you through the process. And the first question isn't gonna be how are you gonna pay for this? Uh the first question is, you know, are you safe now? Uh and is this program right for you? Um, they're gonna make sure, because they're not out there just to take your money. So um when the conversation comes up for money, and if that's a concern that you have, hey, I sh I don't have insurance, it's not gonna cover this, uh, they'll direct you to us at Frontline and uh and we'll help you do the best that we can.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

Yeah, that's awesome, Jordan. I can't thank you enough for uh everything that you're doing and for spending time with me to talk about what you guys are are doing at Warrior Start and Deer Hollow. Um, thank you so much for being here. If I could ask for one last thing, if you could give anybody out there any tips on how to start that journey or have that discussion with somebody about sobriety, about getting help, what would it be?

SPEAKER_00 55:45

Uh, you know, I think uh when when folks are struggling with alcohol, it's very difficult. And that's that's something that we hear a lot is, you know, I see somebody going down a bat hard path and I want to have an intervention of sorts, right? Um I I've not always seen those go well. Um usually the the time to come is when you start to see that they're they're making an effort that they want to change themselves because ultimately that's what it needs to be. Um you can put somebody in a black trash bag and send them to Warrior's Heart, but if they're not ready and they don't want to do it, they're not going to. Um and you know, it's not a lockdown facility. This is not a place where they're gonna take your shoestrings and uh and lock the door behind you. You can walk out at any time. And folks do walk out. Um, so I think when you start to hear those, those signs that, hey, I'm I'm ready, I want something to change, that's your opportunity to jump in. And you know, Warriors Heart has a great documentary. Um, you know, just send them a video, send them, you know, you know, Tom talking on Sean Ryan or something, you know. Um, hey, hey, look at this. Have you heard of this? Um, and and open the door for them. But um, but yeah, I think that's probably your best bet with it.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

Absolutely, man. Home run. Jordan, thank you so much for being here. Guys, do me a favor. You know the spiel. Go to episode description. Episode's already over, you're not missing much. Just pause, go there, click those links, send Jordan a friend request on LinkedIn if you want to connect, if you want to donate some funds towards an amazing nonprofit, that'd be great too, but you don't have to. If you're looking for help today, please be willing to look at Warrior's Heart. If you're from the Warrior tribe, get help. You don't have to go through this alone. Look, I get it. Sobriety doesn't always seem cool, but let me tell you, baby, it's a-okay. It's pretty friggin' neat to go to bed at 8 p.m., to not drink anymore, to not poison yourself. But we want to talk about optimization on everything these days, about optimizing your health. Fun fact alcohol doesn't have any benefits, but I'm not here to push it on you. That's your journey. You have to come up with that idea on your own. I'm just here to show you proof. I enjoy it. It's been fun. I don't see myself ever drinking again because I spent so much time thrashing about Red Door and all those bars and Destin, and I don't think I need to live that anymore. I'm in my 40s now, and I think I need to be a responsible adult. Jordan, thank you so much for being here. Guys, thank you for tuning in, and we'll see you all next time. Till then, take care.