From Adversity to Purpose: Prime Hall on Transition, Healing, and Community

Prime Hall shares his journey through adversity, military service, transition, injury, and healing—highlighting the importance of community, mental health, and purpose after the military.

Topics Covered:
• Military transition
• Mental health and social anxiety
• Injury and medical separation
• Navigating the VA system
• Plant medicine and healing
• Community building

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Chapters:

00:00 Prime Hall’s Military and Life Journey
 02:57 Childhood Adversity and Resilience
 06:03 Transitioning From Military to Civilian Life
 08:48 Injury, Medical Separation, and Identity Loss
 11:56 Finding Purpose Through Water Training
 14:58 Social Anxiety and Mental Health Growth
 17:52 Plant Medicine and Alternative Healing
 21:08 Navigating the VA System
 23:55 Building Community After Service
 27:00 Choosing Happiness Over Success

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Transcript

The Career-Ending Wake-Up Call

SPEAKER_00 0:00

When you walk out of this office, like you need to start figuring out what you're gonna do with the rest of your life because you're gonna get medically separated or medically retired this year, and like you're never gonna deploy again and your job here is done.

SPEAKER_01 0:11

It sucks. It does not feel good.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

The guys around me and my team kind of helped me to realize that like I need to start focusing on what's next because like that first day that I got pulled, you know, ever a lot of guys from my team came and found me, and they're like, no way, like we can't believe this is happening. That's harsh. You know, obviously I was like a fish out of water. I started freaking out, like trying to figure out what I was gonna do. But I was having a lot of pain and I was my movement and stuff wasn't great. And so I couldn't do a lot of the things on land that I could do before, but I could do a lot in the water.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

When you get put out of the military, especially from special operations, you can feel like you're losing the best version of yourself.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Going great. Thanks for having me, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Dude, absolutely. You are you are everywhere, man. You're doing amazing things, whether it's uh uh learning how to or or teaching others how to become aquamen and pools and uh bringing veterans to healing, dude. You are touching a lot of the things that I like to talk about, man. But uh like I found out on this journey, those of us that are out there hitting the road, trying to help others have journeys and uh stories of um, you know, adversity and pain. And today, man, I want to dive into that journey of yours, figure out how you found yourself not only facing your toughest obstacles, but where you found the uh the teachings and methodologies to overcome and to heal.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Yeah, um I think that uh the one thing like uh I want to make sure that I share um if you could remind me towards the end just about um some of the lessons learned from getting out. You know, that's kind of yes, yeah. Yeah. Um, but uh yeah, growing up, I grew up in South Texas. Um I had uh um I guess uh you know, I didn't know at the time, but a kind of a different type of childhood where I was on my own a lot and uh was uh kind of raised myself since I was 13. And um and then uh after a few years of being on my own, my grandparents sent me to a military boarding school. And uh it's called the Marine Military Academy. And uh that was like a sense of safety and uh basically rules and security and things uh I wasn't used to um that created a lot of value for me. Um and then being there, I had like a whole network of friends and you know, all the crazy people that were at mil locked up at military school with me because it's kind of like a maximum security prison for kids, you know.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Um so yeah, it's not it's not like how the movies portrayed it back in the day, like everybody nice little blazers, everybody's polite, going to poetry clubs.

South Texas To Military School

SPEAKER_00 3:40

Not at all. Nah, this is uh this is like street street rules. Um everyone's pissed off, everyone's looking for a way to to uh clear off or like relieve a little stress. So, you know, if you're walking to class and someone kicks the back of your backpack immediately, you gotta drop, you know, you gotta drop your backpack and and handle the situation because if you don't turn around and handle that one, then everyone's gonna feel like they could kick your backpack. And and uh, and so um, yeah, but uh very um was a very positive experience for me. I had a uh drill instructor there, uh his name was First Sergeant Alvin Thomas. He was a boxing coach in the Marines, um, and uh was like kind of the first like real solid mentor that I had like outside of my grandfather. So um I really appreciated everything that he did to look out for me and kind of give me advice and and mentorship uh while I was there. So from that experience, that's what led me into the Marines. Um after high school, I went to college for just like a couple months, and then after that, um made the decision to go into the military. And um it was during it was the Iraq war was really kicking off. So um I was uh basically, you know, uh had some legal issues, so my grandfather kind of advised me towards uh the Marines and getting out of jail free card, and that's kind of uh how it all came about.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

So um Yeah, that's a story for a lot of people. Like that was a real thing. Uh enlist or go to jail.

Enlisting, Troubles, And Finding Infantry

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Right. Yeah, so for people that tell me, oh well, thank you for your service, and I appreciate it, it's kind of like, well, I'm uh kind of uh it was a little bit more to the it wasn't like you know, I was holding my American flag and you know, going in and like, oh I'm you know, I'm from Texas, I'm gonna serve the country or anything like that. It wasn't like that. So it was a little different, but however you get there, you get there. And so um once I got in uh I was uh I didn't know anything really about besides military school, you know, I didn't know much about how much different MOSs and jobs, you know, basically make up your experience of what you're uh and the experience that you have and also the experience that you leave with and the skills and everything. So when I got in, I was supposed to be artillery um, and because that's what that's the the only thing that my recruiters would give me, because when I went in, I had a little bit of a wrap sheet. So it actually took me like a year and a half to get approved, um, to get waivers and everything for all my stuff. So I basically just had to take whatever they would give me, which at the time was artillery, and then um the way that it works for Marines is West Coast, you go to boot camp, and then after that, you go to School of Infantry. The School of Infantry has two sides to it. One is the Marine Combat Training, which uh people joke that it's like you know, cooks and candlestick makers and and basically all jobs go to that one, right? And then the other one is infantry focused jobs, go to that infantry school, marine combat training. So I got put in marine combat training and I was trying to be in infantry, and so and you know, it's kind of a joke because at the beginning of marine combat training they said, Hey, we're really looking for infantry. If anybody wants to raise their hand and go over, you know, and so I had been doing that since boot camp, and then now I'm here doing it in infantry school or marine combat training, and then next thing I know, I'm raising my hand for 14 days or so, and then now I'm about to graduate marine combat training. So um I don't know if it's like this in any, I know I think there's like stress cards or like all kinds of stuff. I don't know if service by service, but in the Marines, there's this interesting tool that you have that's called refuse to train. And so I've never used that before besides this one time, but um at a certain point before graduation, I sat on my rack on my bed, which you're not allowed to do in the Marines either anyway, and I said, I refuse to train. And then a bunch of like leadership ran around and was like, Are you sure? Are you sure? And I was like, Yeah, I refuse. And then they came and that's what got me into infantry, and so uh refused to train, got pulled from MCT right before graduation and getting sent to an artillery school, um, and went and got into infantry, and that kind of put me on the trajectory because I was on in infantry for a little under four years, and it was enough time for me to realize how much how how much shit sucked and how much I didn't want to be there, and I wanted to level up. Uh, and thankfully the there was no Marine Raiders or Marine Special Operations unit when I came in. But two years after being in the Marines, I start they started telling us that, hey, there's gonna be some new a new unit that's standing up and that you guys might have a chance to try out for it, whatever else. And then um when I got back from my first deployment, that's when um there was uh there started to be a couple trailers on base where they had Marine Raiders or Marsock, Marine Special Operations Command recruiters in there that were basically screening guys to go to selection. And this was at the beginning. And so um I had uh a key I had gotten into a lot of trouble my first couple years in, and it was all uh alcohol-related incidents. Um and like my with my upbringing, I had an issue with authorities always. So um, you know, I had no authority in the NAM in the Marines, and I got these guys that I feel like in any other situation wouldn't be yelling at me or treating me like that, but because we're in this sp special circumstance that it gives them the permission to act a certain way or treat me a certain way.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

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Path To Raiders And Purpose

SPEAKER_00 10:33

That would be fine, and I could handle that, you know. But then whenever I would have drinks and I would basically sometimes black out, that I would start to try to find those individuals that I had the issues with during the day or you know, whatever it was. And so I got basically in trouble for a cup for the same thing multiple times. And um, and so uh at a certain point I I woke up um one morning in Okinawa, and it was basically like I'd been on restriction for almost a year at that point. I'd already lost my lost my rank all the way down. Um, and then now I had just gotten in trouble the night before where I was about to lose all my rank again. And so I was basically starting back over as a private with like two and a half years in. And um and that morning I woke up and everybody around me was like, what's wrong with you? Like, how could you do that? You know, like um, and you know, it was a wake-up call for me that that I can't control myself when I'm drinking, but I do really well when I'm not drinking. And like I'm really, you know, technically and tactically proficient at my job. I work really hard. I have I put out a lot of effort, like I'm always training, I'm always pushing myself to get better, but then I have this incident and it basically knocks me down for six months to a year, resets my rank and all that stuff. So at the time it was pretty challenging to deal with, but I basically built myself back from scratch, um, um, you know, two and a half, three years in. And then um within that year of everyone seeing like how hard I was working to turn myself around, I had an officer that basically was like, Look, man, you're exceptional. I'm gonna put you in for a force recon package. And at the time, uh I had a roommate that was in force recon. So I I really wanted, I really was uh admired everything that I saw him doing and getting to do. And then I really wanted that for myself too. So, but I didn't know anybody that was in Raider or in Marsok at the time. So uh I had I got a force recon or a recon contract initially, and then they changed it to Raiders. And my my company commander basically said, Hey, I have a roommate that I was with in college that's an officer in Marsok, and he told me everything about his job, he loves it, and I think that would be a better fit for you than recon. So if you're okay with it, I'm gonna take your recon package and change it to uh you go into selection. So then uh I went to Iraq that that deployment, and as soon as I got back from Iraq, I went to selection. So, and I think it worked out perfectly because when I was in Iraq, I I saw so many cases of individuals that were liabilities to be around um in that environment, you know, where you're having to like remind people to put their uh safety equipment or their protective equipment on when they're in danger. Uh, you're having to uh wake people up that are falling asleep when they're on watch, you know, things like that, where it was like a big eye-opener for me. But at the end of the day, like when I left Iraq, I was like, I am going, I'm gonna make sure when I go to selection in all my training that I never get sent back here. Like, cause I want to be, I want to go to something that's more vetted, to where like all these people that fall asleep and that do do these things and are liabilities and all that stuff, that they won't make it into that. And so that's my opportunity. And uh, so then that's kind of like how I uh found like my purpose and motivation. You know, my purpose was always to make my grandparents proud of my family that I that kind of um looked after me when I was growing up, but then also like you know, I just I never had a plan going into the Marines. I kind of took it four years at a time. Um and uh, you know, so getting into I don't think I would have stayed in past four years if I didn't get into Raiders, but getting into that uh was a game changer. And I just remember like, you know, and I I I still feel like a new guy in a certain certain respects, but like I was like a new guy for felt like for years because everyone at the unit was so experienced and had so many, you know, not only combat tours, but they had all these schools where you know they had like, you know, all these different um, they had all these different tools that they brought to the team and value that they brought to the team, whether they were the JTAC or the sniper or the you know, dive supervisor, whatever it was. Not that like diving was a critical part of our mission set, but just like when you're a new guy coming onto a team and these guys have every single qualification, school and everything, and you're like, man, I got I got selection and individual training course. You know, can I go to an armory school? That was my first school. I was going to joint armor's course.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Oh yeah. You're always, you're always gonna be uh, and I think this goes across the board for for everybody. Like, your first school is not gonna be something sexy. You're going to forklift operator course, you're going to hazmat, you're going to friggin' static line jump master. Like, I rarely, rarely have met guys that uh went and showed up and they're like hey, you're going to free fall right off the bat. There's a I remember it was uh it was Hasmat for me. Shortly after that, it was uh, you know, static line JM. But all that stuff, you know, and then I say it like looking back, you were, I was hella bummed. I had friends that went straight to an ODA, got went to a cool school, or went straight on deployment. And uh I just remember my op sergeant being real, real straight with me and just saying, like, I'm gonna send you to everything that is absolutely hard, difficult, and sucks. And I'm gonna demand a lot from you. But at the end of the day, you're gonna be prepared when you get on your ODA. And remember, like, man, this sucks. Late nights studying all this stuff, late nights getting the opportunity, uh, the opportunity, JM, stack line JM on top of your normal everyday duties. But then when you finally get to a team, when you finally get up there, you're like, oh shit, I'm an asset, I'm valuable. That's a but you don't get that perspective to you on the other side of the journey.

Owning Unsexy Jobs To Add Value

SPEAKER_00 17:16

No. No, but if you're listening to this and like you're just go you're going into special operations, you're going into any military unit or anything really where you're new, um, it's an opportunity for you because whatever that first school or that first job that they assign you, like take that thing, like take assume 100% accountability and responsibility over that job and treat it like your life depends on it, and become the expert at everything that you can to know and and do and perform with that job. Um and then that everything else will feat, will, will stem from that. Like that that alone will start to drive you into into other opportunities. So for me, like my my first uh my first rotation uh at first raider battalion, I got there, everybody was legends. Um, I fell in as like an assistant armor, was my first job. And then I just like took so much ownership over that and all the weapons and this the serial numbers and how to track them and um and all of that to the point that um they were like, hey, well, you're gonna be in charge of the property book overseas because of how well you manage all of the weapons. And so from that, it's it's like it's not a fun job managing the the property book and all of the equipment. But as a new guy, it got me sent to Afghanistan in an advanced party. So I got to go about like a week and a half or something like that ahead of my team so that I could go sign for all of the equipment. But while I was there signing for the equipment, I got immersed in the culture, like, you know, for a week and a half. I got to meet all my Afghan local police, I got to build relationships with the commanders, I even got to put in a checkpoint within the first 10 days. So I was like, I got to get there and get my footing and get like a little bit of you know, uh traction and momentum and understanding and everything. Um, just because I had performed well at the serial number tracking job, which that's not my strong suit in life to track serial numbers, to say numbers, numbers, anything, like that's not my strong suit, but you can bet your ass that like I I treated that job like my life depended on it, and if nothing else, I didn't want to I didn't want to fail. And the Marine Corps is like a shame culture, kind of like Army Rangers and some of these other special cultures within the thing, where it's all based on shame. So, like, yeah, you mess up, you're gonna get highlighted, everyone's gonna know about it until the end of time, and everyone's gonna get a great laugh out of every all the mistakes that you had, and then worst case scenario, that you're gonna mess up and it's gonna get someone hurt or killed.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

So it's like that's kind of the game that you're playing. Like, you're I'm you're always all these movies where you know the guy's sliding and then you know, shooting behind the wall and like doing all this stuff where all of his buddies are like this close to being killed. Never is that the actual thing. It always feels like you could fuck up at any time, you could gravely make a mistake. Um, and that like, you know, it doesn't feel like you're cool and you're moving and you're this, like, yeah, you you know, sometimes you have good gear, but like it always feels like, you know, um.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

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SPEAKER_00 21:40

I gotta make sure I'm not missing something here. You know, like I gotta make sure that I'm doing everything I can to be the best value to the guy to my left and the guy to my right. And like I can't mess up and I gotta, you know, so it kind of that alone kind of keeps you in the game um at at like a hundred percent. But um yeah, so. Uh I don't know like what you want what you want to focus on with the military career, but I did want to focus on outside. Yeah, dude.

Med Boards, Identity Loss, And Isolation

SPEAKER_01 22:08

Let's take it. I mean, I'm just here for guardrails, my man. You just take us where you want to go on your journey. I think one of the best things we can do is like, look, I everybody knows what it's like to deploy and go downrange and the effects of too much blast exposure, meeting the enemy and home at their home team when they have home team advantage. We've been talking about that. Everybody's seen it. There's tons of podcasts that cover that stuff. What we like to do is cover the fall downs, the obstacles, but also the you know, how you were able to overcome them. And I think uh, you know, there's something to be said about the transition. You know, we started this with wanting to highlight that, and I think it's perfect uh before we talk about the rebuild, before we talk about the relaunch of Prime 2.0, take us through having to go through this entire career experiencing greatness and then having to transition. What was that like?

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Well, it was uh it was a wake-up call for me because um I got blown up in 2012 and then I was medically separated, medically retired in 2017. So I still had I did a deployment after 2012, and I was still like trying to stay in the game a little bit, but I was I was my body and my my brain and and things started giving me a lot of trouble um within a couple years. So um, and I never got an MRI. Uh I never got anything until um like probably 2015, probably 2016 was the first time. So um once I got an MRI, then that kind of opened the can of worms, and then they started doing all these tests on me and found out that I had so much damage in my right ear uh that I couldn't pass my dive physical anymore. So if you can't pass your SOCOM screener or your dive physical, then you can't do the job. And um, so I got called in to a meeting with the medical officer one morning, and he was like, hey, uh at that point I was about to deploy to the Philippines and like do a deployment out of the embassy. And uh so I was a little bit different, kind of uh mission set um on the mostly intelligence type stuff. And uh, and so, but at that point I was already on my pain meds and some different medications and stuff. So I was trying to get waivers to take my some of the meds on deployment, and he found out about it, and so he brought me in and he's like, Hey, um, I found I know that you're trying to like pull strings to like do this and do this and do this, and that like you think you're re-enlisting and that you're gonna go on this deployment, but and I want you to know that like what I'm seeing you do is like you're trying to hold on, right? Yeah, is like and I want you to understand that like I'm ripping you off of this door, right? You're you're trying to hold on and I'm ripping you the fuck off. So when you walk out of this office, like you need to start figuring out what you're gonna do with the rest of your life because you're getting medic you're gonna get medically separated or medically retired this year, and like you're you're never gonna deploy again and your job here is done. So he's like, this afternoon, you're you're not you're not going back to check in with your team, you're going up to the S3 shop and you're gonna work in the training and operations thing until you get medically out. And so right there I got pulled from my channel. It's harsh. Yeah, I was operations chief. So um, and I I guess like I too know, I too know how that feels. Yeah.

unknown 25:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

So I felt like that had perfectly that. Yeah. And my identity and everything. So I think it's uh, but the guys around me and my team kind of helped me to realize that like I needed to start focusing on what's next because like that first day that I got pulled, you know, every a lot of guys from my team came and found me and they're like, no way, like we can't believe this is happening, right? And like, no, no, no, and I'm like, dude, I can't, I have no control. You know, they're putting me up in the three shop, like blah, blah, blah. But then like a couple days goes by and like I'm sitting at my desk in the three shop, and like, you know, my guys from my team come by and they're like, oh, no, no, no, like, you know, still engage with me. And then like a week goes by, guys start walking by like I'm like, you know, like I'm like a cancer or something, right? Not not really, not not like a cancer. No, no, I know exactly. Yeah, they're walking by and looking at me like I'm not like them, and that they're looking at me like I'm an admin guy or something, right?

Water As Therapy And Training

SPEAKER_01 26:56

And uh it's just not feel good.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Yeah. So then I I talked to some of my leadership and I was like, hey, you know, what what is the deal with this? Um, and they said, Well, look, man, like we gotta tell you straight. Like, we don't even look at you like an operator anymore, we look at you like a liability, you know, and so uh a medical liability. And um, and so anyway, that hit me hard, but it was kind of a blessing in disguise because it was like, you know, whatever I'm trying to hold on to here, which was everything, because I was so attached to it, my identity, and you know, uh the whole like Shaw Shank redemption part of it, like you get institutionalized when you work in the military and in the government, and when you get paid every two weeks, you know, for your whole adult life, that now you're getting out and you're like, well, how am I gonna get paid every two weeks? And how am I gonna survive? And how am I gonna just doesn't seem like it's gonna all work, you know? And so, you know, obviously I was like a fish out of water. I started freaking out, like trying to figure out what I was gonna do. But um at that point I was pretty uh pretty, I was having a a lot of pain and I was my movement stuff wasn't great. Um, and so I couldn't do a lot of the things on land that I could do before, uh, but I could do a lot in the water. And so, and I had been uh water survival instructor, you know, since 2008, 2009. So um I got in a train, you know, I ran a pool on Camp Pendleton before going into Raiders uh with my partner Don Tran that I started Deep In Fitness and Underwater Torpedo League with. So we we had just thousands and thousands of reps training Marines in the pool. And then that translated to like when I was at Raiders, I would often get called because I still had my water survival instructor certification. Like I kept it, I kept it current my whole career. So I would often get pulled to the pool to run like, you know, dive packages or like you know, zero to hero. These guys don't have much water confidence, but they're all going to dive school in three days. Can you can you hook them up? Um, and so I I found a lot of different tools and and things that um really worked to build water confidence. And one of them was a game that we called uh underwater football at the time that's now underwater torpedo league, but it's basically you know um five on five, or at the time we would do like eight on eight or ten on ten, like some crazy Royal Rumble in the pool, where you know, the goal is to get one object to the other side of the pool with your team underwater, and if you get it in the bucket or the you know, the crate or whatever we used at the time, or we would have a kettlebell down there, you grab the kettlebell and you've got the torpedo, you know, you score. And so we found that that game, like it gamified the whole like underwater training to where everybody stopped thinking about how long they were holding their breath and what they were doing, they just wanted to score. And then at the end of those games, uh the confidence would be higher. And then, you know, like uh I was on the first Marine Raider dive team where everyone got dive certified because dive is not in our pipeline, so it's like a special thing that if they want to send you based off an insert capability or because you earned it, somehow they'll they'll get you a dive school seat. So it wasn't it wasn't uh we were the first team that was fully dive capable, but we before we were dive capable, we needed to send our whole team to get dive certified. So when we sent, we sent everybody. Um, and uh the the tool that we used to train them was underwater football, which is underwater torpedo league now, but we played this game over and over and over again with our team. You know, we come back from the range, we go to the pool, we come back from some training, we go to the pool, we just built the confidence, and then everybody crushed dive school and we came back and um got to uh be the dive team. So um, yeah, those experiences that when I, you know, when I got out, I kind of started freaking out. And then I thought, you know, well, where do my like where's my inch or my where's my experience and like where can I add value to people? And like, you know, I love training people. I've always been writing training programs for like all my family members and friends and teammates and everybody that I've been around forever. So uh trainer, training is a no-brainer, but you know, I could take someone to the gym for weeks or months before I get them a breakthrough, like a real breakthrough. Whereas I could take someone to the pool and within 30 minutes I'm gonna get them a breakthrough quick because we're taking away their life source, we're taking their air away and having them do certain things that's gonna like show them who they are and like give them a little bit more feedback than what what you would get in just a regular workout or something. So um some people joke that you you find God at the bottom of the pool, you know. So um but you learn a lot about it.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Yeah.

TBIs, Anxiety, And Facing Crowds

SPEAKER_01 32:22

But dude, like we learned a lot about yourself, you know. You do, man. And uh I want to touch on on this the strength of yours, because you know, for a lot of guys out there, we now know like how prolific and how problematic TBIs are in the community. Guys are walking around, and because we don't talk about it, because it's not brought up to uh our demographic, that you can get TBIs from training, from jump school, from static line jumps, free fall jumps, from blast exposure, all these things affect your brain. And when you get put out of the military, and especially from special operations, you can feel like you're losing the best version of yourself. When you were able to go back to the water, did you find yourself tapping into that part of you that was the best version of you, the part that can overcome every obstacle? Was that something you leaned on for that reassurance and comfort that no matter what happens, prime is still prime?

SPEAKER_00 33:22

Yeah, it's it's kind of you know, the uh God's timing or divine timing because as I was getting out, my son was like three years old, and I was uh we lived at a condo at the time, and we had like a little, you know, four-foot pool, five-foot pool at our condo that I was taking him to, and uh this was while I was on my medical board. So I was hating my medical board because I went from being operational to now going to these medical appointments, sometimes two or three a day, where every single time I go in, the doctor doesn't believe that I was in combat or that these things happen. And it's like, dude, I'm not here to sell you. I'm not gonna tell you what I went through. I'm not gonna tell you anything because all my shit's in my medical record, and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna play this game, you know. So I was I was I was miserable on my medical thing. And um, luckily I had a good like uh um medical coordinator at my unit that was like helping me manage some of my stuff because I was basically just at the point where I was like, I don't care, I'm not talking to you guys, like blah blah blah. So my only kind of refuge at that point with during that time was taking my son to the pool after work or after my appointments, and so um being like working with him and training him in the water and doing all these little things like I had done, kind of that's what like also helped spark the idea with me and Don to start deep end and underwater torpedo leagues. So um, yeah, and uh there's a saying, when in doubt, focus out. And so, you know, if if when I'm having a hard time and I can I can show up at the pool and let all leave all that stuff in my car, you know, whatever I whatever I've got going on, and I can put all my focus on helping someone else or a group of people to break through barriers and level up and like learn something about themselves and and become more confident and capable as as a individuals and as a group, then that's like that's kind of uh something that's helped me stay in the game and like you know, even when I was having hard times, like because the first couple years when I got out, a lot of people didn't know, but I was in full breakdown with everything.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

Yeah, dude. Yeah. That's the thing that a lot of people don't realize with individuals that are strong, individuals that carry a lot of weight, especially when they start helping out other people, like people tend to not check in, people tend to, oh, he's fine. Prime's always, he's always in a happy mood, he's always doing well. I think that's very um problematic in our community. Uh, our warrior tribe and men specifically. Dudes carry a lot on their shoulders. And it it's I always tell people that the friend you, the friends next to you that are closest to you, that have the biggest smiles, that are always joking, check on those guys too. Check on your friends that are always sending the memes, they're always making you smile because those are the guys that are also carrying a lot of weight and they don't they don't show it. They're good at wearing the mask, man. Stories shape culture. They build trust. And when they're told the right way, they move people to action. That's what we do at Security Hall Media. We don't just produce content, we create authentic, impactful, and purpose-driven storytelling for podcasters, nonprofits, brands, and leaders who are on a mission. For people who've lived real experiences and want their message to actually matter, from podcast production, and video to strategic storytelling and distribution. We help you clarify your voice, elevate your brand, and connect with the audience you're trying to serve. You have a story worth telling and a purpose behind it. Security Hall Media is here to help you tell it the right way. Click the link in the episode description to learn more today.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

I've seen that time and time again. No.

Plant Medicine And The Hard Reset

SPEAKER_01 37:29

You know, one of the things that like we can uh take directly from your journey is focusing on things that not only like you're good at that you can do, but things that you find joy in, things that you're truly like like you don't have to force it. It's really enjoyable for you. A lot of guys shy, like it's a it's it's human nature, child shy away from things that you know make you happy when you're struggling, when you're depressed, when you're going through anxiety, but you have to lean into it, man. You have to lean into the things that get you outside of the house, get you outside of your head. Otherwise, you're just gonna stay there, man. Like in your journey, did you find yourself dealing with a lot of anxiety and depression through your transition?

SPEAKER_00 38:16

Yeah, and it was so for me, it was social anxiety and going out and being in groups and being around a bunch of you know, strangers or people, you know, in different uh settings and and circumstances. And um so I've been, you know, uh there's the systematic building block approach, crawl, walk, run. Like I've been I've been like working and doing like, you know, when I got out, my psych and my unit was having me do homework assignments where I would go to Disneyland and like do things like that. And at the time it was like, ah, like felt like a you know, felt like way too much, like an overload. But um, you know, uh I like I just got back from Shot Show in Vegas, you know, where I was there for like seven days, you know, doing hundreds of meetings plus like thousands of people all the time. So uh and I've also done jujitsu competitions over the last couple years, and like my biggest like purpose or reason of doing that is because for me to walk into like a uh auditorium full of people, it's like one of the like I wouldn't say scariest environments, but for me it's one of the most stressful environments for me to be in that, right, with all the noise and all the different people and all the random stuff and the social anxiety part of it and whatever else. That the that the biggest thing is that if I go into that and then I let all my guard down by competing in the middle, that it's almost like that is like the biggest stress test that I could do for myself or social anxiety, or one of them that I've found. So I've potential or I've intentionally put myself into these experiences that I can continue to grow and continue to lean in and like, yeah, it's uncomfortable, but like, you know, my it the what I want to do is go isolate and like be inside and like not come out of my cave. And when that that's not that's not sustainable. So for me to be out and about and engaging with others, I gotta continuously keep myself like fit. Um, and the way that I like a big part of mine is the social anxiety. But you know, to answer your question, I had a lot of survivor's guilt. I had a lot of like, well, you know, why me? And why me? And like doesn't even make sense that I survived this, and like scientifically did I shouldn't be here, and like, you know, what whatever else, you know, trying to find all these excuses and trying to like come up with a reason for everything. But at the end of the day, like, you know, one of my good buddies told me that uh and he's paralyzed from the chest down, so he got shot with me in Afghanistan. So anytime he tells me something, I I'm I'm definitely listening. Um, so he told me, do you think that any of the guys that got hurt or killed would feel any better about their situation knowing that you were more fucked up?

SPEAKER_02 41:29

No, I don't.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

I know that they don't, that that one that they wouldn't. So that was kind of a uh a good wake-up call for me um with the Survivor's Guild stuff. Um and then even like, you know. So I think uh more so is just you know getting out of a cr such a crazy experience, and then you're trying to assign meaning to everything, you know, and you're Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

That's uh that's a great segue into something that a lot of us uh have found great healing from. Trying to trying to find meaning in your suffering um can drive you mad. It can lead you down some really dark thoughts and um make it impossible to live. It can make it damn near impossible to quiet that voice in your head. And a lot of people have gotten a lot of relief and a lot of healing through plant medicine. In your journey when you're going through that, is that something that was brought to you, or how did you go about being able to heal and get over that?

SPEAKER_00 42:36

Yes, the the plant medicine is something that was brought to me. And basically, um, I was in breakdown. Uh I was at a program business school at USC. Uh, I had um one of my MBA teammates uh was former teammates with Marcus Capone. Um and Marcus runs a vet uh organization called Veteran Vets, Veteran Solutions. Um and uh but this was like six years ago, so um it might have even been before Vets, but he was he was into it, or maybe he just started it. But um so anyway, I got connected with my uh with Marcus, and then from Marcus, I got connected with my buddy Miles. Um Miles is an army former Army Ranger that's been in that space for a while and basically you know self-actuated and and like gone all over the world and and done all the work himself.

SPEAKER_01 43:37

So yeah, he's a true man.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

Yeah.

unknown 43:40

Yeah, perfectly.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

Yeah, so if Miles comes into your life. I didn't know that, yeah. I didn't know that that was uh your guy because uh he I did uh five M E O DMT at my house, and he was my he he was my my shaman. He's the one who guided me. Yeah, Miles Miles is amazing guy. Small friggin' world, man. Small friggin' world. Yeah.

VA Pitfalls, Self-Advocacy, And Labs

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Yeah, and he's one of my closest friends. But I was I actually just talked to him like 30 minutes before the call. But um so yeah, uh, you know, um what I found and with other people too is that you know, if you're in breakdown and then the medicine kind of comes into your life, like for me at first I said no like 50 times, and then at a certain point I was just I had no options, and so I said yes, and then I went up and had like a life-changing experience off that first one, and um then a total game changer. So I haven't drank alcohol or taken any medications since that first toad journey, and that was um what, 2018?

SPEAKER_01 44:50

So yeah, yeah, dude. Yeah, it's uh it's d it I mean just saying that it's life-changing doesn't it doesn't really describe it, man. Like I I I was given the opportunity to do it right before my daughter was born, and I have to tell you, man, the it was the single greatest thing I could have done before I met her, before I brought that that little girl into this world, and it changes you completely. And I know there's there's still people out there don't believe it. I'm I'm gonna tell you again, please experience it yourself. Um it it's you see the world completely different. And it was such an amazing gift to be able to do that right before I transitioned to my next role in life, being being a father. And uh as I will tell you, if you're holding on to anything, if you're dealing with pain, dealing with trauma, and and you've you walked this road long enough and and you're still finding it difficult, and you know, it's not a magic wand. You have to work. But I I highly recommend trying this medicine. I highly recommend it, man. It's it's again, you gotta have to do work. You gotta have to have a follow-on action plan after your experience, after you you have this um awakening. But I'm telling you, it is well worth it. It is something that I think every veteran from GWAT should go through at least once.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

Yeah, agreed. And you know, there's a there's a phrase like you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. Like, yeah, you can't force someone into doing this, and it they've gotta like they've gotta want positive change for themselves, and they've gotta want, you know, that. Um but it's not just the toad venom, the toad venom and the five MEOs, like pretty hardcore um uh plant medicine in that like you're not there's no you're not you're not gonna get around it. Um so uh it's gonna take you where you where you need to go. Um and sometimes that's like a that can be a turbulent process to to say the least. So um, but uh sometimes the only way to the other side is straight through. And you know, if uh in the military, you know, we use all this green gear and these old radios and stuff like that, and you know, sometimes they worked and then sometimes they didn't work. And then if they didn't work, you know, the miraculous way to get them to work again is a hard reset. Turn it all all the way off, turn it all the way back on, then shit works. So what I've found is like sometimes we need a hard reset ourselves, and that when we get that hard reset, there's like realizations and information that can come in. Because when you're when you're maxed out and you feel like your hard drive is full, there's not a lot of information that can flow in. But once you get that reset and you clear some RAM.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

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Redefining Success And Building Community

SPEAKER_00 48:44

Then it's like, oh, wow, well, this is these are some of the chest pieces that were right in front of me. I just couldn't see them because I couldn't breathe, because I my hard drive was full. Now I can have a little bit more space. I could start to like, you know, um do these things. But the thing with any plant medicine is that it kind of has three phases, and there's a pre-integration, you know, a pre setup where it's like, you know, you're you're analyzing, you're looking at your life, you're maybe doing a dieta or you're doing some type of a fast or some type of a cleanse to like clean out your system, not just like food and physical-wise, but also mental-wise. You're like starting to get on an information diet, you know, you're letting, you know, you stop watching the news if that's bothering you, which it should, you know, and all these things keep you in a loop, right? Your whole life. You're starting to like close those tabs and shit. Um, and then you realize, like, wow, well, maybe like I'm not crazy because this shit drives me crazy like everyone else, you know. But um, so uh, but yeah, you know, stuck in a feedback loop or stuck in a negative feedback loop or stuck in a memory of something that happened. And when we just when we keep going back to that same memory, I'll just speak from experience. When I did, it created a super highway to those trauma, to the worst memories that I had. And I was just had I could just go back there in a second. I could I had access points and I could just keep myself in a loop to where when I would be by myself, I'd just be crying and I'd be in that loop and I'd be depressed and all this shit. Well, the plant medicine helped me break out of it, but it's not just, you know, after that, that's when the work starts, because then that's when you start integrating everything that happened into your life, and you know, um, and that integration process can last years. Like I just said, you know, six years ago I went and did my first one. Now I'm like, you know, or maybe even more than six, but not I haven't drank, I haven't done any prescription meds like since before that. So that's that's kept, you know, that alone is a life-changing thing for me and my family and everybody around me, you know. So um, but a couple of things uh I really wanted to share because I've had somebody's, you know, um check out over the last couple years, and that's been uh huge wake-up call every time that that happens, and a lot of like kind of lessons learned, you know, even though I can't I'm not like a detective, I can't pinpoint exactly why they did it, you know, or or what, but because I was their friend, I have an understanding. And some of the things that I've learned is that when we get out of the military, like let's say you're you're in any special operations unit or whatever unit that you're in in the military, and then you do like a career or most of a career in there, and then you're transitioning and you're going immediately into something else. And that do not fall into the success trap that we have in our culture, where it's like, oh, well, I'm gonna be the first Marine Raider that goes to Wall Street, you know. So I'm gonna go straight from Iraq and Afghanistan and and that going to to New York City, a place I've never lived before. I don't know how bad it is just alone to live there, much less to work 18 to 20 hour days on Wall Street. And it's like, but because I don't know how to quit, and I told everyone that I'm gonna do that, well, now I don't know how to get out. Yep. Because I committed, I've already gone to the school there, I'm at like I built all these relationships, I'm in this internship, like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That like I really couldn't say it enough, but just when you're getting out and you're starting your transition, measure twice, cut once. Actually, measure like a thousand times, cut once. Meaning, before you go into that next thing, you might want to take a little bit of time off and figure out who you really are. Because before you came into the military, you lived somewhere else, you hung out with different types of people, and for the last X amount of years, you've been assigned to specific missions, and you've been assigned to all the people that you've been around. So, like, yeah, you adapted like humans do, and you adapted to being around all these people and doing this thing and living in this place. But now, where do you really want to live? Who do you really want to be around? What do you really want to do? You know, and find something that gives you purpose, you know, that like something that you can serve others. And then if you can't find that in your job, you need to find that in something that you're that's a community or something that you join as you're getting out. Like, you know, we always talk about the 360 degree security that we want around us when we're on a mission or we're in somewhere, you know, that's uncertain or you know, hostile territory. You always want 360 degree security. Well, when you get out, you want 300, you want, you want to set that same 360-degree security and perimeter for yourself, but that is all of the people in your life. That's your family, your friends, your people that hold you accountable within your circle, your coaches, maybe your psych, you know, if you do some type of therapy, your therapist, you're this, like all those different people are all your security to help you kind of transition and navigate. But you got to find things that you can use your experience and give back to others. So you got to find people that you can mentor, you got to find people that you can give back to, you got to find veteran groups that you could support, you know, and this is just my kind of outlook on it. You don't have to do anything, but um I really feel that, you know, the people that uh, and just like I said, when in doubt, focus out. Like I got I got hard things that I'm dealing with even today. Like I even almost canceled this interview because I got a lot of crazy stuff going on, you know, per personally and professionally. Um, and one of the things that that uh kind of helps me navigate some of that is like focusing out on others, you know. Even like this morning when I'm driving up to my office because it's about a 45 minute drive, you know, um, I think who can I who could I call this morning that would make a positive impact on their day? Right. Well, I know one of my buddy I know one of my buddies is in a lot of pain, so I called him and you know, talked to him about that and some of the solutions that were um rallying around for him uh to help him with you know whatever's going on. Um but yeah, that if I didn't have those outlets and I didn't have those ways to serve, that I think I would feel I would feel a lot more kind of uh stuck when I'm in these chat when I'm in these things, because even when I feel stuck, if I can help someone else feel like they're moving forward, then like I can start to like, okay, you know, I can get I can I got this, right? Um so um yeah, and uh so don't fall into the success trap, fall into the happiness trap. Success is directly related to what makes you happy, you know. So um, like I may have this joke with my wife, like if you want to make candles and sell them at the can at the farmer's market and that's what makes you happy, do that. Like, you know, um, and that's my advice to veterans too. Like, whatever it is that makes you happy, like find a way to for you to do that. Max out your benefits, use your GI bill. Uh, you know, um vocational rehab. Go to Yeah, find a way to do all that. Like, dude, I got I got buddies like that have used their GI bill like three or four times over, you know, and they always have a a new way to either reload it with three more years or get some other paper from their congressman or whatever it is, like, dude, max there's and I I wasn't I never knew about this stuff. I've learned it from some of my buddies that are so good at it, but like there's use all your benefits, max everything out to the point, but do not do not fall into the trap of with the VA, because the VA is also a disability trap in a game to where if I go in and I say, Hey, I don't want any help because I don't want any of the support that you provide, well then guess what? My 180%, it goes down to 100 and then 90. Like my my percentage was just getting lowered because I was not participating in the VA for the last seven years. So all my stuff was getting lowered. Now I've had that happen with other friends, and what they did was they went in and they were like, well, no, I've got, you know, this stomach, my stomach issue, or I've got this, or I've got that. Well, then they're like, okay, well, let's look at that, and then they start giving them medications for that issue. Well, then they these guys start taking these medications that may or may not be for disability, and then now they end up with second and third order effects that they actually start losing their mind or their body starts breaking down on them or whatever. And like by the time they get to 100%, what was it worth? Exactly. Was it worth you losing your mind? Was it worth, and like I'm speaking from experience, I signed my medical retirement and my CRSC. I signed it away. And at the right before COVID hit, I signed it off because they wanted to evaluate me to potentially lower me on my on my DOD disability. And I said, instead of evaluating me, I took it to the lawyers on Camp Pendleton and I said, if I sign this, does this mean that I'm out of the game forever? That I never have to go to another appointment. And they said, Yeah, it's exactly it. Boom, signed. So that's like what,$2,500 a month for the rest of my life. I signed over because at that time it was more of a risk for me to stay in there and keep going to those appointments because I didn't know what I I didn't know what my response was gonna be if I kept getting dicked around, like I felt that I was felt like I was gonna lose it in there, you know, whether it was the naval hospital or the VA or one of these things, that I was gonna show up and basically, if you've ever seen that movie Falling Down.

SPEAKER_01 59:31

Yes, yes, Michael Douglas. Yeah. Yes. So exactly what you're talking about, dude. It it exactly.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

So it's like that's how that's where I was. And so people thought I was crazy because I signed that away. Um, but I mean it's it's taking ownership.

SPEAKER_01 59:51

It it's it's being able to reclaim something, and that's uh that's where a lot of us like and I I know everybody's different, circumstances are different, you know, a lot of a lot of veterans out there living, they paycheck to paycheck, putting food on the table, take care of their families. They don't have that ability. But if if you do, it's a hundred percent a peace of mind. Stop fucking with my life. Stop sending me. I mean, one of the most malicious things that I witnessed is like trying to like gaslight you into believing that you were sick. That happened to me. If I if it wasn't because I had another doctor that I was seeing for my blood work, and I had labs to prove that I I wasn't in, I didn't need their medication, I would have been on, I would have been on friggin' on their medication for over four years now. It's ridiculous. The fact that it's like, no, your labs are insane. They're look, they're you gotta get on this medication right now. Meanwhile, the doctor that I have that's actually treating me gives me lab works and I do my blood work saying, like, dude, you're normal. You're 100% on all your labs. Like, the only thing we we're gonna bump up is your vitamin D because you're inside a fucking batcave all day recording. Like, it's the reality is you need to understand that it is a system, and not everybody's an honest player in that system. And if I've experienced it, if Prime's experienced it, be willing to advocate for yourself, be educated, be smart, second guess it, ask for reports, ask for lab printouts, read, actually look at what they're saying that you need and be willing to look at at getting a second recommendation from another doctor. Um, yeah, because it is a system, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:38

Yeah, and I saw Dr. Gor Gordon was a guest on here, so you know, yeah. Look up, look up Dr. Mark Gordon, have him run your blood and give you some, have him analyze your stuff because having him manage my my care for the last several years has been like a total game changer. So I don't have to rely on, I don't have to rely on just whatever the doctor's telling me. I can ask, I have multiple set multiple um kind of sources that I trust that are giving me that information. Um, you know, this is how bad it is. So um I had to go to one appointment because they just put me on total impermanent. So I went to this appointment last year, and it was um they did MRIs uh because I had to go to the ER, so they did some MRIs on me, and um they came back with an appointment. When I went in, they said that I had spinal stenosis and that I needed to wear a neck brace. They were they were um basically uh prescribing me a neck brace to wear everywhere I went, right? And they said that like all times, and they said that if, for example, I were to get into a car crash that I would never be able to walk again, and I was like, okay, well, show me what you're looking at. They pulled up a Google image of spinal stenosis, right? They're showing me this like it's a thing, and I was like, that is not my imaging, dude. Pull up my image, right? Next to this one, and it's like, no, you're key, you're out of your mind, bro. Well, you are out of your mind, and like, so that's the level that that's just some of the experiences that I've had, but I've been put on like you know, antidepressants multiple times, had a bunch of serious like negative side effects to that. I've like, you know, and every time I was get I was going in, I was telling them I'm not taking this anymore, this is doing X, Y, and Z. They would always try to convince me to get on another one. Always. Oh, well, we need to we need to calm down your vagus nerve and we need to blah blah blah. It's always some type of thing, but it's like, you know, if you know, like in your intuition that something is like destroying you and not working, stop taking it, you know. Um, which I would say is the case for most of it. Now, everyone at the VA isn't bad. I'm not saying that, but I would just say that, you know, there's been a lot of research done about how the VA operates and works, and that it's not necessarily set up for you to be healthy and well and you know, have quality of life forever, right? When you're telling these kids that are 22 years old getting out of the Marines that the first thing they need to do when they get back home is check in with the VA, get their meds, make sure all their disabilities are done, like that's priority number one. Well, what do you think these guys are gonna end up being? They're gonna end up on meds, they're gonna end up victims of whatever bullshit that they went through, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Sponsors, Resources, And Closing CTAs

SPEAKER_01 1:04:39

So um, but absolutely, man. Absolutely. Like the it's insane. Whereas the reality is, it's like, hey, make sure you're getting outside, getting fresh air, getting regular sunlight, getting exercise, get connected with friends and family, get plugged into the community, and get a reputable doctor. Like you said, the doctor that I was seeing who had actual who I had actually lab work from was Dr. Gordon. And he's a proud sponsor of this this show. So if you want to connect with Dr. Gordon, go to the episode description right now, look at the links, head on over there and introduce yourself because uh here's here's a awesome thing. It's not just me and Prime. Uh, there's tons of guys from our community. Some of the guests on this show are also uh, you know, people that that seek out Dr. Gordon and our his patients. That's the one thing that like guys are always so focused, hyper-focused on testosterone, testosterone, testosterone. First thing I tell guys is like, please go get lab work done. Be willing to get lab work done. Like now more than ever. Like, dude, another sponsor for the show, Precision Wellness Group. You're looking for somebody to optimize your hormones, check them out. Regular doctors that can actually do the work, they can actually take you in, prescribe you the lab work to go get your blood work and can tell you what's wrong. Because it's not just one thing, man. Wants to just prescribe medications and turn you into a, you know, uh a person that's just gonna constantly be a return customer. The reality is healthcare and your wellness is made up of vastly different things that affect it. You know, we tend to think that because we're dealing with anxiety and depression, it's all just, you know, one pill away and you'll be good. No, life's meant to be a contact sport. It's gonna be difficult, it's gonna be painful. You're supposed to work through it, you're supposed to have clarity in mind, you're supposed to do things like hang out with friends, go outside. If you need medication, absolutely. But I'm telling you, nothing good comes from being on medication for the rest of your life. True. That's one of the things that nobody's talking about. Like, we're just recently starting to talk more about like getting off medications, figure out a way to maybe take nutritional supplementation, figure out things that you can uh supplement through your diet. Like, dude, diet and exercise, one of the biggest things that can help impact our body and our wellness. And people are still neglecting it. Like, get out. Right now is the perfect time because we're doing the Security Hall 100 challenge. Join me, get on board for 100 days, optimize your life. We're not just talking about the body, we're talking about the mind, body, and spirit. A hundred-day challenge, join me. Episodes, descriptions, full with all those links. But before we close out, Prime, I want to thank you not just for being here and sharing your story, but for everything you've been doing in the veteran space for a long time. Being willing to share your story, being willing to be vulnerable with the larger warrior tribe is one of the most impactful things we can all do. And uh, I'm grateful for what you've done and what you continue to do. But people want to connect, where can they go?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

Yeah, so uh my website is primehall.com. Uh I have Instagram, LinkedIn are pretty much my two social medias that I'm I'm on a lot. Um, and then uh, you know, I obviously uh work with Deep End Fitness and Underwater Torpedo League. You know, community is a big part of medicine and like, you know, taking care of ourselves, as you were just saying. So make sure that you tap into a community. It doesn't have to be deep end, but really anything. Uh, and then also like my hat, I'm here in my office with Atreus Development Group. Um, so I've always been a gun enthusiast, but uh I also like you know, we work with Atrius, which is kind of like open AI for guns. We have a lot of different technologies that we're bringing to market. And so um for that on the impact side, we do veteran range days. So um if you're looking to hop on the range with us, you know, in in uh Vegas or Austin or any of these places that we do events, like just hit me up um or hit up atrius, atrius.dev. Um and uh yeah, so basically, you know, uh human performance, firearms, and community.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:55

Hell yeah. Everything that's good and great in this American world.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:58

Absolutely, and pushing freedom, dude. Freedom.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:02

Yes, two way absolutely, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:04

Two-A rights and freedom. Remember, Atrius Development Group.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

Thanks for having me on, too, bro. That's dude, absolutely, bro. That's that's a perfect place to you know say, say goodbye to everybody listening and everybody tuning in. Thank you for being here again. Do me a favor. Episode's over, you know, should be able to go to the episode description, click those links, send a friend request to Prime, and do me one more big favor. Click those links and support my sponsors, and especially Dr. Gordon, head on over to his website and check him out. And if you're looking for a new doctor to help you on your journey, especially if you're dealing with TBI, contact him today. Trust me, you won't regret it. Thanks again for being here, brother, and we'll see you all next time. Till then, take care.