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Freemasonry Explained: Understanding Freemasonry in a Divided World

• Deny Caballero • Season 8 • Episode 403

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In this episode of Security Halt!, Deny Caballero sits down with Jay Fain for a candid conversation that begins with humor and ends with clarity. Together, they explore Freemasonry—what it is, what it isn’t, and why it continues to matter, especially for veterans seeking brotherhood after service.

This episode covers:
 • Freemasonry myths vs reality
 • Community and connection for veterans
 • Brotherhood beyond ideology
 • Letting go of defensiveness
 • The value of open dialogue

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00:00 – Harry Potter Fandom and Pop Culture Humor
 02:54 – How Jay Fain Found Freemasonry
 08:05 – Freemasonry Explained: Myths vs Reality
 14:58 – Brotherhood, Veterans, and Community After Service
 30:08 – Open Dialogue, Forgiveness, and Growth
 50:02 – Final Reflections on Connection and Purpose

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SPEAKER_00:

I've been part of other organizations like the VFWs or veteran motorcycle groups or whatever veteran type organizations and found a tribe, a brotherhood, and all that stuff there. It was great.

SPEAKER_03:

Tell us, man. Tell us about this organization.

SPEAKER_00:

When it came to my transition out of the military mindset into the civilian world, I had to get away from some of the toxicity and some of the big egos everywhere. Freemasonry is a bunch of different people from all walks of life, man. There's grandpa, great-grandpas, dads. There's people that are, you know, that are very successful in business. There's no egos there. That's the big thing. None at all.

SPEAKER_03:

It's important to put everything out there, every community, every available pathway to brotherhood for a veteran that might be isolated and feeling alone. No Harry Potter shenanigans here today. No. Oh that fandom, man. That's it's some uh that's a weird fan fan uh fandom. My wife's a big Harry Potter fan. Yeah, so's mine. No, it's I'm not gonna knock it. She's um I don't know. This is for the audiences is definitely TMI, but she's got the costume from like um, you know, the French chicks from that other school when they come to when they they all come to the to the the Tri-Wizard Cup tournament. Oh yeah. I know. I'm a fucking loser.

SPEAKER_00:

I know it's right here in my office area. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Where'd it go? Uh-oh. Someone took my wand. Uh-oh. Oh. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

My wife's got that that full outfit, and it's um, it's nice. It's uh you have some potter role-playing. We got my wand right here. Except she uh she looks sad when she dresses up. I'm just uh 40 plus something loser.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, this last year's Comic Con, I didn't dress up like my uh my stepson did and my wife did. And they're I forget what they wore. He made like a whole outfit. Nice. And then I forgot what she wore, like exactly who she was. But I was like, uh, they're like, what are you gonna wear? I just brought my wand and just stuck it to my side and just wore whatever I usually wear.

SPEAKER_03:

Buggy Jay, I'm a wizard. It's funny because we did it, we did it one year, and you know, she dressed up and everybody thought she was like an actual role player. So I spent the entire day just like hanging on to her like bags while she was taking pictures with people. It was nice, it was nice, it was very enjoyable. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she wouldn't do the same thing for me when we went to uh Star Wars, the Galaxy Edge. Um, who would have thought dressing up as a hairless Chewbacca would be a tad bit taboo? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

A leather daddy fucking joker. I'm a Wookiee. Just been shaved. Don't kick shame. What the fuck? Get out of here, sir.

SPEAKER_00:

I think the last Star Wars thing I ever watched was uh uh I forget which one it is, but when Tyler Redden like killed Han. That was the last time watched it. Like I went to the theater with a buddy of mine to watch it, and then after the theater, I was like, man, I can't believe they killed off Han. I was so mad. I wasn't mad, but I was like upset. I was like, you can't do that to Han. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

It's the most ridiculous plot line. Uh this we're at. I don't care what you tune in for today, folks. We're going down this rabbit hole. In one movie, in one movie, they kill off everybody's favorite fucking hero or anti-hero, and then they they give everything to this one girl. It's just like here, have a sidekick, have a ship, have a shoes. I'm surprised she wasn't wearing the fucking vest at the end. And you know what? Lando's your best friend now, too. Go ahead. It's not fucking fair. You killed my childhood. Oh, man. How you been, Jay?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh good, just plugging away over here, man, doing my thing. Yeah, staying afloat.

SPEAKER_03:

I feel you, man. I feel you, Ebbs. Life's waves, dude. You gotta ride them while you can. I um looking 2025 was a lot of work, man. And I'm just I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it anymore unless you you're working with me on my terms. So I restructured a lot of things, had to let go of some stuff. But um, you know, I I uh I uh I I've had some sound wisdom from people, and they're like, hey, you know, be willing to walk away from things that don't serve you, be willing to walk away from relationships that run our course. Um, not everything has to be forever. So I I took that to heart and um just fucking moving into 2026, understanding that like, hey man, come on board, love to have you as a client, but you gotta you gotta follow some rules. Yeah, daddy has some rules, and it's all because his brain can't work without structure and system. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Just use Google Sheets, man. It's a Google drive, just drop the shit there.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, dude.

SPEAKER_00:

I get it, bro.

SPEAKER_03:

Dude, it's so crazy. Like, I never in a million years like thought I would be like I, you know, people have this like, oh, you must have everything figured out. I don't, I don't fucking have it all figured out. If you ask me questions in the inbox and expecting like all this like sophisticated knowledge, more often than not, I tell people, I'm like, all right, be prepared to be really scared because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing either. Yeah. Like people will reach out, we're like, hey man, how do you start this with your business? I'm like, let me let me clue you in on something. You just ask me a question, then I'm now I'm thinking I should be doing the same thing that you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say this, and I've had I've had some uh recent guests that are also like, you know, you you tend to think like um I won't spoil it if it hasn't aired by now, but I did have a guest that from all the from the outside looking in, you think like, you know, they're they're a big company, like they're out there, they're doing this thing. And and that guy like gave me so much information afterwards and talked as like, dude, we're we've we've only been in this journey for for five years, six years. And like even though we have like great investors, that's been the one thing that that differentials differentiates us between you know where you're at and where we're at. We had a shitload of investors, so we had like all this money to like scale and go rapidly and build. That's the only difference. We're still gonna figure this shit out. Like I I got family members around the payroll because it's like it's cheap labor. I'm like, I get you, I get it. Yeah, dude. So it's uh I'm looking forward to working hard, but on my terms, if that makes sense, because like I want to work with I want to build that team, man. I want to build that team. I want to have like I think it's too early to talk about what we're doing with our other friend, but uh, I think that uh that's the other thing, like being able to clear off some some overhead of some task and some like extensive stuff that was really like because I started thinking about it like how can I commit to another project if this project is a super taxing and b it doesn't jive with with everything else that I'm doing. So now that that's been let go, I feel a lot better, man. But um, no, we're we're we're here to talk about something that I think is really important, man. Like we find our our family and our community in so many different ways. And uh you certainly have a story that uh uh that I want to listen to and I want to understand because it involves a secret clandestine organization.

SPEAKER_02:

It's not though.

SPEAKER_03:

I envision it as a building that needs like like there's like you look around, you look left, look right, there's nobody there, and then like you like breathe on a on a secret strip, and then a keypad comes up enter code, and you're like beep, beep, beep, and then another little scanner comes down, show us your wiener. Access granted.

SPEAKER_00:

It's not like we're walking into like some super secret underground skiff or nothing like that, bro.

SPEAKER_02:

That'd be so fucking sick.

SPEAKER_03:

Like the hallways are lined with all the things that like you influence throughout the eons. Like, we built the pyramids. It's like, holy shit! You go down a little further, it's like dinosaurs, we created them.

unknown:

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_03:

We've been instrumental in everything that's really important, even disco. Oh man. Oh, brother. Tell us, man. Tell us about this organization.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, like well, well, well, how do you want to start out? Like, what do you want to know?

SPEAKER_03:

Like, tell us how like I guess the best way to start it is like how you found out about uh Masons, if if for those listening, the uh the fraternal and the proper name, because I'm gonna fuck it up.

SPEAKER_00:

Sure. I mean Freemasonry. Yeah. Uh everyone a lot of people know know it because they've seen the the the the symbol, the lodges, the whatever. Because it's out there in the open. It's you know, and I'm sure a lot of people, maybe people who are listening in or may come across this, may know someone, or maybe have family members, because like it's just one of those fraternal organizations that's been around for a long time. There's a deep, deep, rich history about it, man, that you know, I don't know. You know, I I'm still like learning things, or I talk to older Masons or others that tell me all these things. I was like, wow, I did not know that. That's pretty cool. You know, it's more like just the history of it. Like um, like who's who's who or who's been or like like oh like there's a lot of cool things about it that that I enjoy when it comes to the history. Um but like how I came to it, um I was a friend of mine who's a bartender, uh he uh he used to wear his ring with the symbol on it. And and I'd go and have a few drinks, hang out, and I and I see I see him where I would see the symbol on his ring. And then I remember kind of just asking him, like, what what is that about? Because I've seen it everywhere, man. I've seen other people wear it, I've seen the the badges on people's cars or whatever, and just I'm just curious, man. Like, what what is it about? He's like, Well, it's he just kind of gave me this, it's just a fraternal organization of good men in our local communities trying to do good for the community. You know, nothing, there's no big secret about there's nothing. I was like, Well, yeah, and here's a common misconception about it. Like, I like some people or a lot of people think like you have to be invited to this.

SPEAKER_03:

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SPEAKER_00:

I was like, Oh, okay, cool. Well, sure, let me know. You know, like and then you know, he went and talked to his his brothers at his lodge and all this stuff, but um unfortunately it didn't work out with him at that lodge. He just kind of he I'm not sure what happened to him, he kind of disappeared, and I'd haven't seen uh hadn't see or hear from him again. This was like early 2010s era, late 2000s era, and uh so I didn't think nothing of it. Cool. Like I wasn't like, man, oh man, I missed an opportunity. No, you know, like I was like, whatever, you know. But I was living in Columbia, South Carolina at the time, and I used to travel out of that airport a lot for whatever reasons, work or whatever. Just whatever. And there's an old retired uh lieutenant colonel, Marine Corps officer guy that was working at the USO before you go through security there. And he was wearing the ring, you know, and I saw the symbol and all that stuff. I was like, hey, his name was John, John Marcucci, still friends with him to this day, uh, still keep in touch every once in a while. And I was like, hey, what's that about? You know, I asked someone about it the other uh a little while ago, and I you know, I'm interested, and he told me that all I had to do was ask. And he's like, Yeah, that's true. He's like, he he's and then we talked a while about it. He he's been around it for a long time, decades, and he's been in different pellet bodies and done a lot of things within the that organization. And um so he got me going at my home lodge when I was in South Carolina, and and that's how I got started with Freemasonry initially.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And just asking about it from someone that I saw wearing a ring. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

That's such a that's uh such a unique and easy way, but the myth that gets that grows from it you wouldn't even it's a it's like it's it's crazy that that's the only that's a that's the way to get in. You just ask somebody, ask a member.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Because it's it's one of those like you know 'cause like you you have to approach something like that, like with most things in life, with uh you know, you approach it with uh like if you really want to know something, you you seek out the truth, you look for the answers, you know, or you want to know about it, so you you you like me as uh before I was a Mason, I wanted to know. I was and I've heard so many great things about it and I wanted to be part of that. So in my heart, I went and sought that out on my own. You know, and that's how it's supposed to be, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

So take us through that. How did it how did it go? And what you what you can share. Sure, there's gotta be some stuff that's kept under wraps for and then that's for any organization, right?

SPEAKER_00:

So any like I mean the only like secrets like we can't talk about is like our ceremonial work.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and then JFP assassination, of course.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_00:

But like I could talk, I could speak about anything else about it, but like obviously I can't tell like our secret ceremonial stuff. That's the only like secret per se, you know. But um so the how the process started, like uh I signed a petition and it went to their law into the lodge and they voted on it and they investigated me and they'll do a whole background check and all that stuff. And if all that if all that comes like good, you know, like I'm not a you know, a bad guy, you know, I've yeah, yeah, you know, like and you have to believe in a something bigger than yourself. It doesn't necessarily have to be God, it just a creator something, you know. It's not just one religion. That's that's another big common misconception about it, that it's just uh it's a substitute for uh religion, which is completely not, you know, it's not that at all. And uh so believe in something bigger than yourself and you know, you're not a a bad guy. You know, convicted felon of like some bad charges, you know. You know, and you have to live within that community for a certain amount of time. Yeah. And um once that all said and done, they you know, voted on me, and then they get a hold of me and they let me know, okay, dude, this is when we're gonna do your initiation. Then there's three degrees your initiation, uh uh your passing and your raising. Initiation into an apprentice, passing to a fellow craft, and uh raising to a master mason. And um that process could be within a few months or it could take as long as it needs for that person that's gone through it because if that person uh has you know, because the most people that go through it have other things going on in their lives work, family, and all that stuff, and all that stuff is a priority before masonry stuff, you know. And it's on their own time. And but I mean, I had a lot of time at that time because I wasn't married, no kids, nothing. So I really was like motivated about doing it. I got through it quick. Yeah. Just dove in headfirst. Yeah. I did, man. I really did.

SPEAKER_03:

And I gotta imagine too, man, like you you and you joined after service, correct? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's for a lot of veterans, you're looking for a connection, you're looking for for a place to call your own. It's no, I don't think there's yes, there might be more responsibilities, maybe, but it's no different to VFW, really, if you think about it. You're getting together with people who are building a community. So I understand, like plus when you when you have an organization that's as old as the Freemasonry, there's a lot of mystique to it. I have to like imagine that once you sat down, like were you blown away about the history when you're blown up, like like how long it stood and how long it's been an institution?

SPEAKER_00:

Sure, yeah, man. Oh man, completely. Like obviously, like I always heard like our founding fathers and these people and all that stuff. A lot of them were Masons and you know, some some very famous people within our history, even before uh America's history, like a lot of people were Freemasons. Like it's it was I think it I think it's cool, you know, like who who has been one and and where they've of what they've done within them themselves with whatever they had going on.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah, and it there's there's a lot, I'm I would imagine there's a lot of discrepancies, a lot of issues with like TV shows, movies. I mean, like if you if you're a fan of Nicolas Cage, you've you've seen a few movies. Yeah. Well, like give us some some truth um behind some of these myths, because like was Freemasonry didn't originate in the States, did it? Didn't that it was existed before the United States.

SPEAKER_00:

So Yeah. I mean from what I know truly's not really like um like i it's obviously predates United States of America. It predates before we became our own country. Uh and you know, there's a lot of uh a lot of inf I mean it's I like I don't know like the exact start date per se of Freemasonry and how and where, honestly. I really don't know. Um but like a lot of the like a lot of our like the word uh that we use is like the esoteric work that we do is uh is surrounded by like the uh like the uh King Solomon's temple, you know, those days and all that. Because like Masons built those temples, Masons built a lot of things way, way, way back in the day. And and they say that those set Masons had their own little things, little or little clubs or whatever, and or something like that. And that's how it kind of got started. I really don't know, honestly. You know, if I really wanted to deep dive and figure that stuff out, I can you know look it up or start asking around, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

Like It's so crazy because there's so many like conspiracy theories and different videos out there. The real truth behind the Freemasons. Yeah. It always comes back to aliens. It always circles back and where were they during Area 51?

SPEAKER_00:

So I've heard it. I've heard it all. I've seen it all. You know, especially like scrolling through like the conspiracy theory stuff and like just random friends or random people that approached me and talked to me about it. I'm just like, uh I'm like, all right, guys. I always say it like if you really want to know.

SPEAKER_03:

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SPEAKER_00:

You came to the right person to ask. I will tell you everything. I'm not going to lie to you.

SPEAKER_03:

We don't know where the aliens are buried.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we don't know where the aliens are buried. We don't know where the Ark of Covenants at. We don't know none of that crap.

SPEAKER_03:

We don't have a secret passage into the White House.

SPEAKER_00:

No. We don't know. And if there is, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, but I do have I have a really good friend. Um, shout out to Jerry Harrison, the best tattoo uh artist, best artist that I know. I am I am proud owner of some of his work. Phenomenal dude, and he's a Freemason. And that's the first time that I like I actually had a close proximity with somebody. And it's easy to have like these like preconceived notions of what it means to be an individual that belongs to these organizations until you meet somebody of high quality, of high caliber. Like I would literally, literally entrust that man with my money, anything that I have of value or worth in this world, because he's of high trust. Like I would literally sign over everything if I had to to that individual to watch over because Jerry's one of the best people you ever meet in this world. Hands down. Um, these movies and TV shows, and like I said, the myth that's growing out of it makes it feel like it's an organization of CD people. But when you put uh people like yourself in front of a camera, like Jay is one of the most authentic persons I've ever met, very, very approachable human being, like you put an honest and normalize the the and get rid of the stigma, and you realize that it's a community. It it's it's a group of men trying to, you know, make their own little area of the world a little bit better. And and I have to ask, like, what kind of projects or things do you have you been a part of to help your local community since becoming a Freemason?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, sure. Um my lodge in South Carolina, we used to do we sp like we would sponsor like the local little league teams and stuff, or we would uh do fundraisers and raise money for like the children's homes, um uh uh scholarships, like all the things like that, you know. And same here. You know, we we we raise money to you know help out with scholarships and things like that, you know, for the kids like they could sign up for and like yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

Typical good guy community events.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, just a bunch of guys, you know, a bunch of dudes, bunch of bunch of dads and grandpa getting together, you know, like like how can we make things a little better out here, guys? You know, that's literally what we do.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah. Now have you have you gotten to the point in the phase where now you're mentoring the next generation of guys coming up, or are you still sort of you know, there um just like with any other uh I'm sure other lodges across the country, there's so many.

SPEAKER_00:

Um some are very active and some are not, you know, which is so unfortunate when I hear about like a a fellow brother's lodge, it's like, man, we're just struggling for membership. We're struggling to get people here, you know, we're struggling for people to you know seek us out. Like and you know, so so a lot of the older guys stick around and try to hold on and try to help out. Um like our lodge, the one I'm at, we're we're doing pretty good. You know, we've gotten some younger guys uh like younger, like as in like my age, um 40, 41, you know, 30s, come in and starting to step up, which is so good to see at our lodge. Uh and it's not like a age thing, you know, because I can I've been a master mason since 2011 or something like that. And I've mentored so many Masons through their degrees. And these a lot of these guys were way older than me, you know. Yeah. You know, it's just like yeah, and uh when they when they go off on their own, that's then then that's it. Um because anybody at at any any man at any age um can join. Like some 70-year-old guy who's like, hey man, I'm I want to do it. Sure, man, come on, let's go. You know, like we'll take care of you. Come on, Blue, we got you. Yeah, you know, like sure, but you know, but it's just like it's good. Like what I've uh seen from uh it's just Lodgers are doing good. It's just the it's just like with any other type organizations like VFWs or whatever, like it's the you know, like some may struggle with membership, some may not. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So I would imagine, I don't know, like the the younger generation, the the digital nomads, the the people that spend more time on the internet, spend more time on their phones, like how do you attract or engage with those individuals? Like, is is there any sort of like I mean it you know it takes engaging with a Freemason to find out about Freemasonry, but has there been any sort of like growth in the maybe the idea of like, hey, we'll put Jay on TikTok to dance and do some marketing for Freemasonry?

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, there there are Freemasons out there which their their content is predominantly about their uh Freemason stuff and oh no shit. They they put out good things, you know, but then just you know the social the social media monster, man. Yeah. It's never it's it's the good things doesn't get out there as much as they should. You know, it's always the bad stuff, like the or the negative stuff or the the misleading things that are out there, especially when it comes to like the Masonic things that that are out there. You know, the conspiracy theorists, uh hey, we're we're the new world order gonna take everything over, or we're we're the Illuminati, or we're like all that stupid stuff, man. All that stuff, and I will tell you, is not true, man.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, like and the other thing too, man, like we were talking when we when we were planning this, we're engaging, it was on the on the you know, that episode of of uh Sean Ryan with um that I forget who it was, came out and they were talking about the conflicts between the Catholic Church and and Freemasonry. And and and while there may be this, you know, I'm not I'm not the Holy Father, I'm not in the Vatican, I don't, I don't know the historical context. All I know is that I'm engaging with a friend, a human being who's found community, like uh uh and and friendship and been longing in this other organization. Yeah. I think if I if I sat down and I remember this funny, I've gone I've gone to confession and I've never confessed something that wasn't a sin. And and and I had this grim moral gray area. I went to confession, I talked to Father, and like he like looked at me and he's like, hey man, like weird, but not a sin. It's like I feel like I've gotten to the point in my life as a as a man of my faith where I've like I finally got to a point where like I I didn't do something bad and now I'm running out of bad things to do. So I figure like engaging with you isn't a sin. Talking to somebody outside of my lived experience, outside of my like my immediate community isn't a sin. Being able to to engage with you. And what I want people to understand is like it could be any community, it can be any sort of like uh brotherhood or or or like except like if you're part of some fringe like hate group or something, don't engage don't engage with those people. But be willing to have discourse, be willing to learn about each other's uh you know, like life, what you do. Um it'd be hard to be a friend if you didn't at least uh sit down, break bread, and ask them about what they do, you know, with their community, with their friend groups outside of your your thing. I think it like when you demonize something so much to the point where it scares people from engaging and talking, like you you can have a problem. Like I'm I'm not going to become a Freemason if it conflicts with the higher order and and understanding of my faith. I won't. But nothing in my faith says you gotta go out there and find these people and you gotta slay them. That's not a thing. And I think that guy was making it seem like we're immortal enemies, and like that's not that couldn't be further from the truth, man.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you know, here's what I know about it from older Masons that have talked about it. They're like, yeah, there's some history where the Catholic Church uh like denounced anybody to become a Freemason or something like that. And and from what others have told me, it's just like what what I've heard about what the Catholic Church or Catholicism didn't didn't like or didn't really agree with uh when it comes to Freemasons, because what Freemasons are, man, we're free thinkers, you know. We you know and I know there's some gray area when it comes to those things, when it comes to like the very old school traditional religious views or values or whatever. And and there's some tensions there, I guess. That's that's just what I've was been told. I never really deep dived and looked into it because I'm just like that's in the that's in the past, man. Like I'm not living there. Like if that's how it or what it was back then, we've moved on way past that. Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

My thing is like I'm not part of the leadership. Yeah. So I feel like there's a gray area. And if I need to go to confession for it, well then I'll take my licks. So it's like, hey man, I don't I don't work with the Pope. And uh I I I didn't see anything in the Bible that is explicitly said not to engage with Freemasons and not talk with them. Uh because it's like it to me, it's one of those things where it's like, know the history, understand like the the the situation. I'm digging into it myself to figure out like where um what what it was specifically and understand like for for my own my own growth, my own understanding. That's like, but at the end of the day, God calls on me to be a better person and to be a good friend, to be a good brother, to be a good neighbor, uh, to not be a dirtbag, to not be a fucking loser. So I'm doing my best on that.

SPEAKER_01:

No, no, no. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

But yeah, it's it's uh it's important to put everything out there, every community, every every available pathway to brotherhood for a veteran that might be isolated and feeling alone, so why not highlight it? Why not show it? Because you never know what's gonna what's gonna be attractive to somebody. I know a lot of the there's a lot of guys that don't want to be part of a of a softball tournament. They don't want to go join a friggin' veterans peer-to-peer support group, but maybe they're willing to talk to a Mason, maybe they're willing to do something to earn that you know that that spot within that that organization. So we have to be able to talk about it, dude. It's out there, it's not going anywhere.

SPEAKER_00:

Um yeah. Well, here's just I mean, here's my thing. I know we mentioned I've mentioned this to you before about it. Like, you know, I've been part of other organizations like the VFWs or veter veteran motorcycle groups or whatever veteran type organizations and found a tribe, a brotherhood, and all that stuff there, and it was great, but you know, I have strayed away from some of them because um I'm not knocking them at all. You know, it it's great, but when it came to my transition out of the military mindset into the civilian world, like I had to get away from some of the toxicity and some of the you know the big egos everywhere, and like I can't I like it just wasn't healthy for me mentally, you know. Yeah, and I feel that I feel that man I found nothing like that when it comes to Freemasonry. Freemasonry is a bunch of different people from all walks of life, man. All different types of jobs, all different places in life they are at. Like, you know, like like I said, there's grandpa's, great-grandpas, dads, you know, there's there's people that are you know that are very successful in business, and there's that guy that's just the farmer down the road, man, that just wants to hang out or have some kind of friendship, you know, or and all these people, like I have learned so much from uh my Masonic brothers that are um about just like living in the real regular civilian world, you know, than I ever have like being at any other place, you know, because it's all about there's no egos there. That's that's the big thing. None at all.

SPEAKER_02:

You know, and I must be nice.

SPEAKER_00:

And if that stuff does come around, I'm not saying it doesn't happen when we're you know they those things get taken care of, but not in a toxic way. Like we help each other, like you know, we we give them like if someone is acting a certain way, like or whatever, we help them. We don't just shun them or oust them or whatever, unless they did something terrible and then other things can happen, you know. I've seen people get in trouble and even lose their Masonic jewels and their status and masonry of whatever because that's because they did something terrible. Uh because we do have like obligations that we uh that we abide by and if we like uh go against any of that stuff, that stuff can it can be like alright dude, you're out of here, you know. Like but it it's when it comes to that most I I'll say all Freemasons that are out there right now they're truly like about the work and about what the organization is about, like it's about like helping each other be better. It's not about status quo, it's not about popularity, it's not about none of that stuff, man. It's like you could be you could be a young dude trying to like just got into masonry just trying to figure out life, like and you come into the lodge and you become a Mason, we're gonna be there to help you. Anyway we can. You know, it's I've like when I was going through some terrible things, like my Masonic brothers were there more than my veteran brothers, you know. Because they they understood, yeah, man, they understood like you know, like they knew me personally and you know, they knew what I needed. It wasn't like I didn't get any pushback, I didn't they didn't shun me out, they didn't like treat me like I was like some like so someone that that that does that can't help they can't help anymore, you know, like and like having those types of people around, you know, it's like how can I equate it? Like it's like having a bunch of dads around, you know that just just want to help out their son, you know what I'm saying? Like that's must must be nice, Joe.

SPEAKER_02:

Must be must be real fucking nice. Get him off my phone show. He knows that's a tough spot for me. Fucking I'm 41 years old, I still wish you had a dad. No one taught me how to play baseball until I went to Iraq.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, because no one's trying to like make anyone feel a certain way. Like it's like once we like have like once we meet, like whenever we have our meetings, like we go in and we hang out, we socialize, and then when we go into the lodge and do our business meeting, like anything that's happening outside of our lives, like we leave it out the door. And then if we need help, like we we know that there's someone that will that I know that there's someone I can talk to that will listen, you know, and we'll know we'll at least be in the ear for me.

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SPEAKER_00:

Someone there.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

All right. Let's get down to the bottom of some some myths and some or some core knowledge information. What is the difference between a regular Freemason and a Prince Paul Mason? Because I've heard of both and I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

Prince Hall Masons and all that. Um, you know, don't quote me on it. Like uh back in the early I think they're um the Prince Halls were predominantly the I'm not sure what the correct term here to say publicly.

SPEAKER_03:

Like I only saw them, uh I saw a lot of Prince Paul Masons in Fayeville, North Carolina, African Americans with Prince Paul Mason uh attire. Um like the the rings were the big thing. The shirts, it was all uh I don't know, and I'm only saying this because I what I saw at the time. So if it's not right, it's not me being racist. It's is there a color thing? Because they all wore purple. I don't know. Maybe maybe that wasn't.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, like um like yeah, I have a lot of friends who are Prince Hall Masons. I've never been to a Prince Hall lodge or anything like that, you know, but we when we do interact and we see like each other's the symbols, like, oh hey brother, we do the we do the thing when we know for sure, you know, and and then it's just like whatever, you know, but like the history of the Prince Halls, man, like I've never deep dived into it, you know. Like I've I've heard that like some people say like back in the early days that uh when there are Freemasons here in this country at least that you know when they had their their um slaves, you know, they wanted them they wanted them to also be part of the organization. You know, they wanted them to have that as well. Oh wow. They didn't want to completely oust them or something like that, so they started that to give them that's what I heard. Yeah. I don't know, man. Like Well fact check it. We'll uh we'll put something up and by we I mean I'll just most states nowadays, like all that is like all intertwined, you know, like there's no like real big separation, like you know, it's just the history, like it like I I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I always found it fascinating because I remember they're really predominant in the the fable area, and I always thought I'm like, what's I wonder what the difference is? Like, what do they do? So if you're listening and you know, hit me up. Let me know. The secall podcast at gmail.com. Give me the info. I want to know. It's curious. I saw them everywhere, I saw them at Myrtle all the time, too.

SPEAKER_00:

It's the same thing, man. Like, I mean, they do the same work to raise their guys to master masons, like it's all the same type of work.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And the reason the cool thing, the reason why I always saw them in the area, they're one of the only organizations that I always saw doing fundraisers in the local area in Fateville and then what in uh Myrtle Beach. Now we would go out there for uh you know shenanigans as young men. Um but yeah, I always thought about them. Like, what's different? What's what's uh could I join the Prince Pompeii? I don't know. Let me know.

SPEAKER_00:

Let me know in the comments, send me. I mean, I believe you can. Like if there's like a thing, like if you want, like they don't there's not a there's not like a race thing anymore, dude. Oh I thought it had to be I had to exclusively I wasn't part of the cool club. Yeah. And I don't and if it is, man, like if there's a place where it's like that, then they're they're doing it wrong, bro. Well, we're doing it completely.

SPEAKER_03:

In camera, I'm gonna go through the doing like Project Veritas style. Excuse me, good man. I'd like to be a Prince Paul Mason. Yeah What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02:

Jay sent me, please don't beat me up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh now I've heard that lodges have to abide by a strict building code, which includes no windows. Is that true?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh no, I mean, inside our lodge room where we do our work, our business, and all that, sure, no windows in there. But outside, like where our dining room and all that stuff, yeah, we have windows and stuff out there. But in the lodge room, yeah, I I believe we should there's there's no windows in there because we don't want someone peeking in while we're doing the thing. Yeah, you know doing your things.

SPEAKER_03:

Science stuff.

SPEAKER_00:

But it's open like if people wanted to visit a lodge and not a mason, they're welcome to come inside and see everything. Yeah. But they want to know, they gotta ask, you know. Yeah.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Is it is it true that every free Mason has to get a tattoo? No.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't have a mason. I don't have a mason tattoo. I've thought about getting one, but I don't have one. Yeah. But a lot of masons do.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's um, yeah, it's it's it's a part of American culture, man. But I do think I like, you know, do you guys do like a census to like to figure out like manage and figure out like the growth, the number of the organization? Like like an annual like count of like, hey, this is how many, like I do wonder what the amount of like, like I said earlier, the amount of people that are just more inclined to be recluse and be, you know, indoors and not out in clubs. Like, I wonder if there's if it's still growing, it's still an organization that has like healthy numbers, or I mean I don't know, like pivoting to an online meeting platform.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so like every lodge has like a Grand Lodge. That's the every lodge, every lodge is recognized under their that Grand Lodge. Yeah. And Grand Lodge, they they keep a strict record of all that stuff. And I believe I believe if you wanted it's it's not like I I don't think it's private, but I'm sure you can look it up or find out. Like it's not like they're keeping that a secret. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Like do you guys have like big like annual meetings where like a crazy like like is there is there a Freemason convention like once a year where everybody gets together from everywhere, or is that not a thing?

SPEAKER_00:

I mean I mean each state has their Grand Lodge meetings, so all Masons across the state can attend if they can. Oh statewide, okay, okay. And then yeah, they do have like national type meetings and stuff here and there. I've never been to any of those. I've been to a Grand Lodge meeting once. Um but like if uh like when it comes to Freemasonry, going up that route to like being part of the Grand Lodge and all that, like you get like it gets very busy. Like it it takes up a lot of your time.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I would imagine. Yeah. Like can you are there things you can't do? Like uh do we do we still can you be a government like official? Can you be part of like can you be a senator or governor and be a Freemason?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, sure. Yeah, there's there still are. They're out there, man. Like um, but that doesn't affect like like it's not supposed to like affect your work or anything.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh yeah, it's not like a secret, like Rand Paul's taking some side money as a basis.

SPEAKER_00:

There's there's a lot of there's a lot of famous people, there's a lot of politicians that are. They may not, you know, you know, or be yeah, or be vocal or whatever, like um but they're they're it's not like uh like I can't like say some high-level government official is a Mason. I can't use my like our brotherhood, my our our connection to to curry favor or get something out of that. Like that is a big huge no-no against our values, man. And people that think that's a thing, like or try to do it or think that's a thing, is you know, it's wrong. Yeah, because that's not what it's about. You know. It's like, okay, I recognize that you are one, man. In my heart, I hope everything you do is you get everything you need and you take care of the people you need. And you know, if there's anything I can help, you know, please reach out. But like I'm not gonna be like, hey, uh, you're so-and-so. Hey, I got this thing. All I need is if you could just like, no, that's a big no-no, bro. No.

SPEAKER_03:

Who's like the biggest celebrity that you know is a Mason?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh I mean, there's plenty out there, man. Um let's see. Biggest celebrity that I know is a Mason. Currently, uh Julia Roberts. I knew it. Uh let's see. Let's see. I believe uh uh who is uh Shaquille O'Neal. He's one.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh no fucking way!

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Uh I forget which guitarist on uh Blink 182. Isn't it Mason?

SPEAKER_03:

Uh yeah, dude. For sure it's it's Tom DeLong. It's for sure Tom DeLong. Uh there's uh I mean In fact, allow me to look this up. It's gotta be Tom DeLong. Look it up, man. He's the one that did the um the the UFO. I don't know if you're tracking this, but yeah, that that guy.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, he's the one. Yeah, he's looking for the truth about that stuff, and he's a he's a Freemason. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

He's he's the reason he's the reason why we got the the UF the UFO disclosure as um uh as a movement that went on. Like he's the one that pushed for it, him and his organization. Yeah, another fun fact, this is this one's crazy. This is gonna blow your mind. So a long time ago, when he first started, I don't know how he got brought into high-level meetings, the government for this UFO stuff, but Tom DeLong was the one that gave the idea to um fly different routes to Sniff for um broadcasting network for the uh prior to the uh um Osama bin Laden raid. I'm pretty sure that's that's exactly what it what uh what it was. Uh not my knowledge, I heard it from somewhere on those other podcasts. The dude's like in in official meetings with government officials, and I'm like, you wrote the soundtrack to my early youth. Like, how are you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

How are you now the alien guy? Oh man, I just I I just looked up like Freemasons Alive Today, famous ones. Uh co-founder of Apple, Steve Woznack. Oh, he wasn't acts one. Holy shit. Brad Paisley.

SPEAKER_03:

Brad Paisley.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh oh, that's a country singer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rick Wakeman, uh, Richard Dreyfus, Bronson, something, Michael Richards.

SPEAKER_03:

But yeah, man, there's there's so much out there. The the mystery, the mystique, it's gone. Like, there's there's lots of good sci-fi, there's a lot of good like writers that can tantalize and create stuff. And and things can be true, right? Like back in the day, things could have been more or could have been completely different. But now in the modern age, that that level of like mysticism and and corruption and back alley swindling exists only in our government. So if you're looking for somebody that to blame for bad things going on, it's Dan Crenshaw and guys like him.

SPEAKER_01:

It's the truth.

SPEAKER_03:

We vote the real bad guys into office, and then they sit back with their eye patch on. I'm gonna get Sean Ryan. Oh man, everybody's suing the fuck out of each other these days. The anti-hero guys are getting sued. Fucking Sean Ryan's getting sued. What am I gonna get sued, huh? I've been doing this long enough. I deserve some litigation.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's unfortunate to see those things. It's unfortunate to see the terror veterans tearing each other apart like that. Uh crazy, man.

SPEAKER_03:

It's crazy, dude. Like, and I think the problem too is um like if you just reach out to each other and talk and get to the bottom of things and engage in discourse, it's a lot better than than leading on to this like destruction, mutual, mutually assured destruction of each other. Like they're like, dude, I get it. Lawyers are cool, but uh, you know what's cooler? Being able to come uh to common ground, understand the core grievances. And if you were wrong, if if you if you lied or you made a mistake, be a man, man, uh, man up, own it, and explain. Like it's we we have a sense of responsibility when we do these types of things. Like, look, I'm nothing, I'm no fucking superhero. I did serve with some awesome dudes, my old team fucking sweater. That's right. There's only two ways you get this sweater serving on the team or sucking them off. And I did both. That's right. But it's like there's a type of shit out there, man, where people are like trying to tell this larger than life thing when in reality, all you gotta do is just be a good person. Sure, share your look your lived experience authentically, impactfully with a purpose, but don't fucking muck it up with bullshit. And because people call you out and then you want to sue people. No, dude, just just be a real dude, engage, talk, air it out like men.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Bury that hatchet and be done with it, man. Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03:

Life's too short to have these like it's too short to have these like giant beefs. And I joke about Danny Crenshaw because I'm fucking nobody, and and the and I do I rightfully think that he's made a lot of money illegally, and it he should come to light and apologize for doing it and you know, put himself in a corner, you know, not run again. Um, but you know, to each their own. Um, I have happen to believe in ethics and being honest, and maybe that's just not the way he lives, and that's how he wants to live. That's fine by me. Who am I to judge a man?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I just think we gotta do better, man. We gotta be able to sit down and listen to, you know, like like we did today. Listen to each other's perspective and understand, be willing to learn, dude. Yeah. If it's important to you, as long as it's not hurting other people, I'm down to listen. I'm down to learn. And um, but it's it's like it's it's a weird world we live in. It's a weird well world with uh the the uh the the race for attention.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, man. Like like you I mean you see it everywhere in in all aspects of life, especially like I'll just speak for like at least within our our culture, the American culture, like like you see it everywhere, like whether it's politics, whether it's with the youth, whether it's at some kind of job, whether it's at home, whether like you you kind of see that stuff happening everywhere. Um and you know, since we're on the topic of Freemasonry, uh I I like I always say like if there's an anti-Freemason out there or whatever, um I I'm not I don't challenge them, I invite them to like, hey man, let's sit down, let's you know have a coffee, let's share a meal together, let's you know, let's talk, you know, and ask me all the questions. Let's just sit here and and have a normal conversation, civil conversation, you know, and and what whatever comes of it after it's done, like however you feel afterwards, you know, like I hope I my hope is I would change their mind if they have something very negative to say. But I'm not I am no one to change someone's mind, you know. Like if someone's mind is made up, that's their that's their own program. Like that's that's the freedom that they have within themselves. You know, like but I will be glad to sit and talk with anybody. And you know, and that's how it should be, like across like going to the veteran thing with those two guys you mentioned. Yeah, that I would love to see that happen. Yeah. And be like, wow. You know, that's that's how it's supposed to go. It is, man.

SPEAKER_03:

It's like it's good, it's good to make fun of each other and and and and and poke and prod, but at the end of the day, dude, like you're big, both of you are big dude, like big personalities, be willing to talk, get over it. Um Yeah, it's just it sets the right tone and the right example for everybody else. And I think that the older I get, um I think I I get a little wiser and I understand that it's not about it's not always about fist fights and and a pissing match and trying to prove that you're better. Sometimes it's how can you be the bigger person? Sometimes it's letting go of the feud, sometimes it's moving on. Sometimes it does involve taking a knee and being the one that listens, being the one that listens to the criticism, takes it and corrects himself. And I think a lot of us, myself included, you need to do that from time to time. If you're wrong, you're wrong. Be willing to admit it, be willing to move move forward on the right direction. But yeah, litigation's begun gotten way too crazy, man. Um it's just yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00:

It's just people that you know, when people interact, they you know, they now they're sharing that those energies, though those environments together. Now it's learned how to do like the give and take thing, not the whole I I'm submitting to you, now you need to submit to me thing. That not that whole mindset, you know, like it's just like okay, cool. I'm willing to listen. Uh I'm willing to be told what to do, I'm willing to be trained. Not like, okay, now, like, all right. And it's a give and take. Okay, now they're doing the same thing. It's it's the whole art of having a normal civil conversation with somebody and not um not get too much into their feelings, you know. It's just you know, because emotions if there's you know the whole control thing, like if there's something we can't control within ourselves, is our emotions, man. Like, especially you know, especially when it's just like talking with somebody, you know, like I don't like you don't have to always be on the the defensive, you don't always have to want to push back or fight back, you don't always have to be the last person to say something, you know, like just like okay, cool, man. It was great talking with you. I thank you for your time. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03:

Like, yeah, there's a power in letting go, and there's the you know, I will give you before before I let you go, bringing it, I will give you one tip for all the people out there listening. I mean, it's a little faith-based. I get it, I know. Just roll with me. If you can't pray for somebody, just think something positive about them. I I start each day, I do my rosary. But lately, for the last few months, I include the normal people that I care about, the normal friends that I know struggle, and even those that aren't here anymore. Because come to find out, prayer for those that have passed is equally as important. But I pray for all the people that I I think have done me wrong, or the people that I have said bad things about, or individuals that in my mind I have some sort of grudge or something, I guess. And um, dude, you'd be surprised how quickly that softens your heart. And like nothing, nothing's crazier than praying for your enemy or somebody that's done something wrong for you. Yeah, but uh, you do it for a while, and then you realize like, oh man, like who cares? I it didn't affect my wife, didn't affect my kids. Like, I'm I still have a home, I still be I'm able to provide for my family. And it feels before you know it, you let go of that hate, that that animosity towards somebody, and it just becomes like you're praying for one of your friends. I really it really felt like that this morning when I when I woke up and I started praying for um you know Sean Ryan. And for yeah. I don't pray for Sean Ryan, but you get the point. Somebody that that's been difficult in your life, you pray for them. And and at first you gotta do it with gritting your teeth, but slowly and surely it becomes part of your life, and then you realize like, oh, okay, I'm not really mad at that person anymore. Yeah. Because it's silly, it's silly, yeah, they're living their life.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, there's a whole like you know, forgiving them and moving on, not expecting apology, not you know, if they did you wrong. Like I've had to do that plenty. Um and I used to be a little bit more angry about things early on with a lot of with some people, but I forgave them and moved on, not expecting apology. And and I'll and I am happy and content with that. I don't wish ill will, I don't wish none of that stuff, you know. I'm just like, okay, you know, that was a chapter or a time in my life that needed to happen for me to be where I'm at today. Absolutely, man. Yeah.

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Couldn't think of a better place to end it, man. Uh but uh before I let all you go, and before I let you go, Jay, do me a favor, pause the episode, go to the episode description, peruse those links, click them, but more importantly, head on over to Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and leave me a review. I know. It's gonna take five minutes and it's a pain in the ass, but it helps me. It helps me continue growing, helps me continue expanding my reach into building my podcast empire. That's right, it's not just security hall anymore. It's the Dan Ramer Podcast, the Asset Mindset Podcast, Broken Brains, of course, Security Hall, the best one of the much. And I want you to support us all. And you can start by leaving me a positive review and some words of encouragement like, hey, keep going, guy, or way to go, Denny. Anything like that. I read them all, I appreciate them, and I want you to be part of our community. We're building something great here at Security Hall Media, and you can be part of it too. Have you ever thought about starting your own podcast? Well, now you can, and I'll be your guide. I'll help you get there. Launch the first 20 episodes, launch the first 10, or maybe come on full time as your full-on time, full-time producer. Maybe. If we align and we jive. But first, we start producing the first 10. We'll see where it goes after that. If you want to learn more, go to securityall.com and check it out. If you like what you see, hit me up. Send me a text. Doing it again, 850-376-8101. The lines are open, I'm available, and by the time this publishes, I'll have a voicemail again. I'm Denny Caballero, that's been Jay Fade, and we'll see you all next time. Till then, take care.

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