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Dr. Robb Kelly: The Truth About Addiction They Don’t Want Veterans to Hear
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In this powerful episode of the Security Halt! podcast, Dr. Rob Kelly—renowned addiction specialist and recovery coach—delivers raw, no-nonsense truths about the hidden roots of addiction and the journey to healing. A survivor of homelessness and alcoholism himself, Dr. Kelly shares how trauma, unprocessed pain, and mental health struggles often fuel addiction—especially among veterans and those in high-pressure environments like the military.
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I'd like to make sure we have enough time to cover everything, but yeah, we'll explore a lot today. Yes, you will. Dr Rob Kelly, welcome to Security Out Podcast. Great to be here, guys. Yeah, we started talking a little bit. I almost committed the cardinal sin of starting to engage and talk without hitting that record button. You know, addiction, now more than ever, is something that our veteran community is struggling with. Our active duty community is also struggling with it, and my brotherhood and everybody that I am around with has either been touched and has dealt with it or has identified that they might have a trouble with it, and it can come in the form of many things. These things, for one, can become very addictive. But today, sir, I want to dive into this and let you guide us through this journey, not only how you got into this field, but what are some of the things that you see, how we can identify it within ourselves, because when we know the enemy, we're more prone to make the right decisions.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent. I love that. Yeah, so the thing about addiction and alcoholism is it creeps up on you really quick before you know. You know, I didn't realize I had a problem until I'd lost everything. I was on the streets for 14 months, oh man, oh my God. You know, I started crying one morning. I can't stop drinking, oh my God. So, yeah, I mean just the normal rules are and we're going to freak people out today. By the way, danny, is alcohol, porn and drug addiction made Now when I say that, guys, I have over 30 years experience with over 11,000 patients and millions of people with my TV, books and stuff, over $1.6 million in research Everything I say today has been researched.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you stuff today that's going to blow your mind. We're the leading authority. We have five offices around the world. I lecture at Harvard, oxford, mclean Hospital, all that stuff. So I deal with a lot of A-list celebrities daily with these guys, because we don't take any shit off them. That's why they love us so much. I think so it's being aware. So here's the number one thing Is there addiction or alcoholism in the family?
Speaker 2:That's the number one, especially with alcoholics being born this way. If there is, then obviously you're on amber alert. You know you got to be careful, you got to tread carefully and stuff like that. But any behavior that changes drastically and stays in that cycle of self-sabotaging destruction is the biggest warning sign ever. Nobody's going to come and tell you this is what's going on, rob, because when I was suffering, nobody knew what I was going through. They just thought you know alcohol. If you can just stop drinking alcohol, everything will be good. I'm taking drugs.
Speaker 2:Well, we found out that alcohol has 1% to do with alcoholism and the same thing with every other addiction. That's not the problem. The problem is is the way my mind and my brain. So alcoholics have three different parts of the brain that are different to any other addiction, hence swaddle and the other guys, drug addiction of addictive personality. Both show the same.
Speaker 2:So the biggest reason, uh, the biggest uh knowledge that we gain is when we studied the hypothalamus in the brain. So the hypothalamus, from birth tells human beings to drink water, eat food to survive. That's it. It's the most basic instinct we have to be alive. During the alcoholic's career that's what mine was the hypothalamus turns around and hijacks the brain and tells the alcoholic to drink alcohol to stay alive. Now, when the survival part of the brain is telling you that, then you do that. That's why wives, girlfriend kids are all gone. They're in the background. I have to drink alcohol. When you're drinking one bottle, you're worrying where the next bottle's coming from. So it's stuff like that that you know if you come from a drinking family. You've got to be aware, man, you've got to be aware of your own body, especially today, 2025, everyone's taking better care of themselves, and now we know about neuroscience is the game changer, and quantum physics backs this up with our research. So, yeah, that would be the answer, I think yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:it's one thing to hear about addiction, it's another to live it and see it unfold. I had a front seat to seeing somebody that was. We tend to think that alcoholics can't be high performers, and I will tell you that is not the truth. I have seen some of our nation's greatest war fighters actively deal with this addiction and hide it, and I always thought well, I mean, if they're drinking, if they have this compulsive drive to drink, surely they're going to fall apart when they don't have access to it. And I've seen guys have to go dry and I've also seen guys move hell and high water to get alcohol when they needed it. There you go.
Speaker 2:There you go. Yeah, that's the one you know. We're driven for this. Most successful people have addictive personalities. So the drug addict thing Most people that have been really, really good with their lives probably have alcoholic tendencies. They're the best people in the world. All my guys are ex-recovered alcoholics or drug addicts. But yeah, I was running a million-dollar business back in the 1980s when I was at my height of drinking, you know, with very high achievers. And once we get over that shit, once we get over the childhood traumas attached to that and things are going today, not only does our DNA change, but we are capable of doing anything in the world, and I mean anything that you want to be. It's 100% possible. We do it every day. Here we have a 98% success rate. Wow, yeah, because human beings don't know there's children with trauma.
Speaker 2:People oh you can't do that, rob, you can't write a book, rob, you can't do it Says who man, who's saying this shit? Because I don't like it. So I mean, let's forget your political views for a second. Guys, I'm not into politics. I don't give a shit who's in. When people say you can't do stuff, one of the biggest answers that Americans, when I first come here, used to tell me is well, I can't be president of the United States, let's forget your political views for a second. We had a freaking business and we're in the country with no political experience whatsoever. How dare you tell me you can't achieve your dreams? It's just not true. Somebody's got that there. Yeah, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2:We build empires with people. People come in here. They want to spend in life, in business, in all kinds of stuff, and we reprogram and we reset brains and you know we have this 9D software, which is the dimensional, subliminal message. It's amazing what we do here. And, by the way, if you're in the local San Antonio area, we do not charge for veterans, really. No, I am now American. Okay, I've got to say this. I've been American for about four years and I took that day very seriously. I went in a suit, I had an American bow tie and I was so privileged to do that. However, during my years 20 years of being in America, I'm disgusted how people and the government treat veterans. So from day one I said no veteran is going to be paying here. Now we had 10 veterans at one time and no patients. That went on for a year. I had to. They foreclosed on my apartment and that's okay. But yeah, no, I give all my life to whatever they need. You got it from me For any veteran that served our country.
Speaker 1:You deserve, deserve better guys. And I got a foundation, we got to plug you into a proud sponsored uh, proudly sponsored by the special forces foundation and, like I said earlier, we, we don't know who's going to be dealing with addiction. This idea that high performers can't be uh, can't deal with this problem, can't be a victim of this is absurd. I've seen it in every demographic, from the most successful CEOs to the lowest private in the formation. This can be part of anybody's life. We can fall victim to it. It doesn't have to just be genetic.
Speaker 1:I know I sought comfort through alcohol and the single greatest thing I ever did was when I was at my worst and I started leaning on it. That's when I knew I had did was when I was at my worst and I started leaning on it. That's when I knew I had a problem. I may not have stopped, but I knew that there was a problem and I am glad, I am fortunate, that I was able to walk away.
Speaker 1:I haven't drank since I made my decision to walk away from it and I have been there for a lot of my friends as they have struggled and I thought it was as simple as doing interventions to offer to peer to peer support, but that's not enough. I've lost three friends now, all alcohol related, and those three were all alcohol related and the thing that really baffles my mind is the one got to the point where he could hide it again and he was saying all this and he was volunteer. He was, he was coming on to our peer to peer support online and he was putting on the mask and hiding it really well till he got another DUI. Let's talk about how you were able to identify how to, how to treat it, how to be successful in this fight, because everything that we threw at it the interventions, the going to the treatment center at the va it didn't work no, it's the understanding.
Speaker 2:Once you understand it's not to do with the substance, the alcohol, drugs. That's a deep-rooted uh obsession with drug addicts and and uh way of life with with alcoholics. It's like I I truly believe, with all the experience I have, that if you haven't been through alcoholism then you cannot treat an alcoholic because we think different. I'm drug addict, same with drugs. We think different, uh, and our thinking is insane when it comes to stuff like like most of you guys are insane anyway. We did some sas back back home seven months uh, studying on that uh. So, yeah, the destruction is that we never feel good enough. Uh, we especially with like special forces because they're hit away of I know the sas is hit away, nobody, I see them, you know they can't tell everybody who they are and they lose their identity. And once a human being loses their identity and you cover their face, you know insanity creeps in. So we need enough knowledge, like we have enough knowledge here, to cure addicts and retrieve alcoholism, because the more knowledge you know, the better it is. So we get people all the time coming and most of them are, are heavy drinkers or abused, abused alcohol drinkers, which are great because they're easy in the reason to cure alcoholism itself is a lot more in depth. If it's not by the alcohol, what's it about? Kind of thing. So we can do the interventions you know we can do.
Speaker 2:But when somebody sits down in front of you and and talks like you and explains exactly what you're going through because I've been through it myself the niche of no, no, no, closes really quick. So, maybe, maybe, maybe. So my, my, what people call my travesty, my devastation days and stuff from the past losing their children, homelessness that is today my greatest asset, because these degrees don't mean nothing, absolutely nothing. When I'm sat in front somebody's suffering from this shit, that's got ptsd, that's ready to kill himself and you know all this horrible stuff, I can't sit in front of me like a therapist and go okay, so how are you feeling today? You know you've got to tell them how they're feeling. You've got to grab their attention. You've got to use all the tools that we have to pull them back in reality and we've proven time and time and time and time and time again that it's the way forward. Like, old therapy doesn't work. Talk therapy, uh, with alcoholics and addicts and ptsd and depressed it doesn't work it.
Speaker 2:There's much deeper rooted that we have to bring an idea, we have to bring brain spotting out, we have to deep psychologically be planting subliminal messaging all the time so that we reprogram that self-sabotaging brain. Because, like I said in your game, if you've got to be and I say this with a smile half crazy anyway, so can you imagine being elite like you? Of course you can, but I'm just talking to the guys, but hold listening being elite and then coming away. So it's like going on stage with some of the guys I work with. They come off stage and the deflation is heartbreaking and it's it's a real pain. So all of a sudden you're the heroes of the world. The next you're nothing. You sat on the streets and nobody gives a shit about you. Can you imagine the devastation of the isolation and the abandonment? We did some work on death row, never in hunt over here, where they still put people to death and and we we spoke to most of them and the guys that would turn up on the day to get the needle or the chair was insane and the reason that was insane? Because of the isolation and the identity was taken away. So they were a number stuck in a cell on their own for 23 hours a day, and that's where you go insane. If you don't know that, you can't treat that. If you don't know the workings of a mind that you're treating, then you can't treat that. You know we get it all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've been to school for like 10 years. I studied alcoholism. Did you stop? No, no, no, I know everything. You can't help me, man, you don't know. I wanted a therapist here so I could go every month and talk crap to to. So we interviewed three. The first one I went into nice guy diplomas, all this stuff. I said are you an alcoholic? He said no, but I've studied. I said you can't help me. And he studied. I went no, no, please give me a chance. I said okay, here's the scenario. You have a bottle of vodka behind your back. I want to drink. What do you think I'm going to do if you keep saying no, well, you're going to argue with me. No, I'm going to take a knife out and stab you. Then I'm going to get my bottle and go oh my God Did the same with the second one.
Speaker 2:Third one was an old lady, probably 70s hippie. She had all the hair, you know, and I walked in and I said the same story. You know what she said to me? I'll stab you first. That's my goal. That's my goal Because the mentality of the PTSD, the alcoholism, which is all kind of the same in subconscious brain is thought plans don't add up to any other person. Are you crazy? Well, yeah, we are. You can't take a normal person from the street, from a nine-to-five job that wears a suit and sticking with you one day.
Speaker 1:You can't do it In psychology. They talk about on the street from a nine to five job that wears a suit and sticking with you one day. Yeah, you can't do it In psychology. They talk about cultural competency a lot. They talk about making psychologists culturally sensitive and culturally competent and there's a lot of focus on new generation individuals.
Speaker 1:I call them the purple hair gallery and, yes, absolutely, you got to know that people are coming into your clinic. But if you don't understand what it's like and truly from a lived experience position, because now I know as, although all of us were well-meaning in doing that first step of intervention and doing that first step of saying and identifying that you have a problem, we were all ill equipped to fight that battle, for for several reasons, but primarily because, a they have to want and understand they need help and B they have to be given a resource, a provider, somebody that knows the fight that they're in. I didn't know and a lot of people don't know this. When somebody's a true 100% alcoholic, the process of detoxing is dangerous. You will literally die not having that substance. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:You can't actually die from coming off drugs. It sure feels like it, but with alcohol, yes. So I carry a bottle of vodka to this day in the back of my car in case I get called out, because if you turn about the house while he's drinking, you never not have alcohol in. Until you get into detox you always have to be topping up the alcohol so it doesn't go into delirium, tremors or heart shock or something. Yeah, it's so true.
Speaker 1:So true, and it's the one thing that always bothers me now is how deeply embedded it's in the culture. How do we fight?
Speaker 2:that I don't think you can Listen. When COVID was here, when, when the liquor store is listed as essential business to be open, I think we have a problem. America, my therapist weren't working, the doctors weren't working. But hey, let's make sure the liquor store stays open now you talk about your own journey.
Speaker 1:Let's let's dive into that. Yeah, let's dive in when you were going through this fight Because, like you said earlier, this is something that gives you an edge in the fight. They talk about, no the enemy, it'd be, it's just like us Like, where, when we hit the ground running, you want special operations on the ground because they know the fight, they know the enemy, and that's why, dr Rob, we want you in this fight, but tell us how you got to know this enemy intimately.
Speaker 2:Well, when I would come home, I was angry on the streets because nobody could tell me what's wrong with me. An alcoholic goes to an A in me. Okay, it started at the age of nine. I was born into an alcoholic family. Mom was alcoholic, sisters all that, her sisters uh.
Speaker 2:I took a drink at the age of nine on stage with my musical family. I was playing bass guitar at the time and I didn't know then, but I know now. That sets off the time, the time clock. Now, if you were to stop along that way brilliant, most people don't know, they carry on to the bitter end is where I was. So you know, as time went on, I would be drinking saturday and sunday when the band was playing, and then it was friday, saturday, sunday and you go for college and you do all the stuff and then all of a sudden you find you're drinking every day. But you're very successful. So I'm running this big business that gives us houses on the hills and new cars, the best kids for the children's clothes, and you know, you're sat there going. Oh, my God, this is brilliant.
Speaker 2:And somebody's telling you you're drinking too much and the answer is you can't even look what I'm providing I'm earning $250,000 a year in the 80s. You know you can't even look. I provide it. That was the cover-up for me. Without me knowing so, my wealth masked my alcoholism devastation. The next thing, you know you're harming the loved ones. You know you're leaving kids in cinemas ages one and three and forget where the cinema was. When you went back to get them, the police were there. You know, driving from london to manchester who had two little babies in the back freaking seat, drinking an open bottle of vodka, doing about 150 down the freeway, these were normal things for me. I don't know what people were talking about. You know, and you get into this false reality of world that nobody knows and you're hiding it really well. The. The good news is everybody knows. The bad news is you don't know. So the definition of insanity in this company is me not being able to see my own truth, because that's where the insanity starts if you don't know. So I'm drinking. Drinking college fantastic starts a business in the telecom industry. We used to put towers up for the Navy, the Army, the Air Force, and then we went into telecoms, obviously, and it came around.
Speaker 2:But yeah, soon enough I got married, thought that would cure the drinking. Now I had my first baby. Oh so this is this Denny. He has a first baby. I bring his Bible to the husband. Baby was born mom's hands into my arms. Little girl passed it back to mom, got the Bible out, put it on the bed and the doctor was there, said can I have you as a witness? And I swore to my wife right there and then I'd never drink alcohol ever again. Now my father, everybody was happy.
Speaker 2:It was the worst four hours of my life Because four hours later I was in a bar drinking and my wife was crying with this little baby, which is actually our second baby. Now. When the youngest was born, I took two Bibles to the church and I got two doctors and my two little girls and I placed my hand on both bibles and it said it's because my witness now will never took the alcohol again. I lasted about two days and I drank again. So the devastation of that and the ptsd that my wife went through. So after the stabbing I fled to spain because there was an attempted murder charge out on me Three, four, five months in Spain. All charges were dropped.
Speaker 2:I came home. I got home to their house. They knew what time I was going to be there. They paid for the plane. They cut all my cars, coffee and everything, all my credit cards. I got home.
Speaker 2:When I got home my wife was there with the children and she left and she took my little babies with her. I had one, three, two and four, I can't remember. So I got into my attorney. I said make sure you get my kids back tomorrow. Get into court tomorrow, get them wherever you need to be. And he did. The next morning he shows up. Now. I gave him a big check. I walked him into the living room. The wife was calling on the house phone. Every minute you can, every minute, you can't do this, you can't do this. Sat in front of the tv, I walked into the kitchen. Now, three days sober here, denny. Okay, this is it. I'm gonna be that father. I'd look at me. You can't do this to me. That you know this is you don't know who I am, kind of thing. I walked into the kitchen and the thought passed through my brain that wouldn't be great to have one beer to celebrate getting the kids back.
Speaker 2:Two days later, when the police kicked the door down, the place was strewn in empty vodka bottles. The children had been fed or changed diapers for two days. I needed to kill them kids. The police woke me up. They served me with unfit father papers and they took my little babies away. She was their mother-in-law, child services, child protection, which is a different thing. The police were there and I was stood at the doorway and I felt the worst person in the world and my daughter was holding onto mummy's hand down the pathway. She said Daddy Daddy, please don't go. And as she got down the path, she turned around and said Daddy, daddy, please get better. As they got to the big iron gate, mum opened the gate and she turned around one more time and she said daddy, daddy, please stop wrecking. I couldn't do it, benny. I couldn't do it for her. I couldn't do it for anybody.
Speaker 2:One or two months, I don't know I was in a blackout. Most of the time I'd gone to my mum she'd throw me out. Gone to her friends they'd throw me out. Gone to the time I'd go to my mum she'd throw me out. Go to her friends they'd throw me out. Go to her acquaintances they'd throw me out. And I was on the streets. And that's how quickly it happened and I cried. Every birthday, every Christmas, every day. I went to an attorney and my dad said if you're any kind of man that I've raised, you'll sign everything over for your kids. And that's what I did. I walked out of that attorney's office with about 20 pounds in my pocket, straight back on the streets and I swear it kind of got worse. For me that wasn't the worst ever, but yeah, it was pretty bad and I stayed there for 14 months.
Speaker 2:Now, the crazy part and you might identify with this, denny being in that situation I was a fighter growing up martial arts boxing. I was a bodybuilder, so I was big and strong. After about a month or so I quite liked it on the streets. I had no responsibilities. I could hurt people real quick. You know I was six foot tall probably I don't know 230, 240 back then and I used to hurt people, knock people out coming out of nightclothes, steal the wallet for alcohol all that bad stuff. Hurting people real bad man.
Speaker 2:The thing is I was on the streets, I had some friends with me and the thing was, if I could knock somebody out in one punch, that was the thing to do. And yeah, it was 14 months of that and then I got real comfortable on the streets. So yeah, that was kind of my life. You know, I wanted to die on the street and two times I did. They brought me back to life and I hated them EMT guys from EMS, what they're called ambulance guys I hated them for that. I didn't want to live man and I couldn't die. I tried tying myself to the train track, jumping off buildings and all sorts of crazy stuff and it looks like I couldn't kill myself. It was insane.
Speaker 1:When the things finally turn around, when we explore this journey, man, like it's just you think and it's. I mean, I've talked to so many people where when you think it's rock bottom, it's one more, and then when you think it's rock bottom, it's one more, and then when you think it's rock bottom, it's just one more, and eventually it's like what was the ultimate bottom for you that just made you say or somebody or something intervened.
Speaker 2:It was a Sunday night, monday morning around two o'clock, I'm coming out of a blackout. So I'm in where the offices and factories are. There's not a human being, a house, an apartment, nothing like that and I dropped down to my hands and knees and I started crying like a baby. Now, I wasn't crying because my wife and kids had gone home on Monday. I wasn't crying because of that. I was crying because the first time in my life I realized I can't stop drinking. It was pouring down. I remember looking up to the sky as an atheist saying if there's a God up there, I can't do this on my own anymore. The next 30 seconds, denny, I won't tell a story for 15 years.
Speaker 2:A guy walked around the corner. His name was Derek, he'd been to a Bible study, he'd missed his last bus home. He'd walked for an hour. He took a shortcut he's never taken before and it came across me and he said do you need help? I said, yeah, I'm dying. I'm an alcoholic. He was a recovering alcoholic. He was a Christian guy. I took him back to his house, I fed, chained, showered for the first time in a year and it was beautiful. And he said Rob, you can stay here for as long long as you like, man, but you've got to go to these meetings with me. I said, derrick, I hate these meetings. Man, tip, rob, I can't be drinking in the house, man.
Speaker 2:So next day we went to one of these meetings and, sure enough, same old bullshit in there. You know, I'm an alcoholic and I'm sad. I can't stand it and I drink four bottles of usual stuff and all of a sudden this guy pipes up. My name's john, I'm a recovered alcoholic. And I looking at Derek and going, what did he just say? Derek said? He said he's recovering. I'm like pissed now because I've gone through all the stuff and you can recover from this bullshit.
Speaker 2:So after the meeting I walked over and said hey, john, my name's Rob, will you sponsor me? And he said no and my heart was like but I will be your spiritual advisor for 12 weeks. Be your spiritual advisor for 12 weeks, like what? Every Wednesday, come to my house, bring this and bring this and come to my house. So I left Derek's at six o'clock. I walked there. I got there for seven, couldn't knock on the door until one minute. I used to get up there seven I could knock on the door and at one minute to eight what we're doing. He walked me out. That's a really important thing to remember, guys.
Speaker 2:Just for this 12 weeks, man, I was there every wednesday, did the bit, went home wednesday. I was getting better and better and better. He told me all sorts of cool. You're gonna go to america, you know, blah, blah, you're gonna heal people and all this crazy stuff. And on the last night there he said to me uh, you're gonna change the world well, and uh, things are gonna change from tomorrow. And John bless you, man, thank you for everything you do. But I'm in Derek's basement on a bloated mattress. Nobody knows I'm there. So my life can't change, you know. And he smiled and patted me on and off.
Speaker 2:I went the next day I get through, I'm cleaning the house because that's my job. Now Derek comes home at 12 o'clock lunchtime he said Rob, the guy that switched the factory floors just jacked it all in. Do you want a part-time job? I said, oh my God, yes. So I went back to work with him, turned into a full-time job that week and then not thinking of John at all. Then we get our first paycheck, which was cash, stampled to an envelope, back in the day and I got the cash man. I'm like, oh my God. And I remember John said shit. So I went to the gas station, I bought me a little teddy bear probably this big and a card and I wrote on the card thank you, john, for introducing me to God. Because he took the compulsive drink away and I was back onto his house. Man, I couldn't wait to get there. I'm working with people that were getting well, you know, I was working full time and got to his apartment, went up and I knocked on the door and there was no answer.
Speaker 2:And I looked at the curtains the neck curtains and it looked a bit dirtier. And the woman on the right hand came out and she said can I help you? I said yeah, where's John? Is he like relocated or something? Has he moved? She said John who? I said John, your neighbor. She went oh, I've only been here three months. I work nights, I've never seen him. Oh, no problems. Went around to the left end, knocked on the door. Big guy comes in the door. What do you want? So where's John moved to? John who? I said your neighbor, john, where's he moved to? He was here. He went on to tell me that that apartment was derelict, okay, and he used to have tape across the door and if I was to open the door I'd drop down three flights and probably kill myself. I think this guy's insane.
Speaker 2:So I go back to the meeting where I'd met John three, four months earlier and I went in the chair and went Rob, I'm like thank God for that, you recognize me. I think I'm going crazy. He said Rob, it's good to see you, man. I said thank God for that. Just, john, still come here. And he said John, who? And I said the guy that I was drinking coffee with, over near the coffee machine. He said God bless you, rob. We thought you were praying, you were speaking to yourself.
Speaker 2:We've never found that man, but it's one of the reasons why I have a 98% success rate, because it's not this, it's my past and what John taught me. Now, when you have an awakening like that, you know you're meant for better things. And he'd tell me stuff that was going to happen in the future and it all come true. It's all come true, danny, and I would never tell that story for 15 years in case people thought it was insane, but when I started to share it, the amount of people. Oh my God, I had a similar thing. It's like entrepreneurs, you know, rich people, pope oh my God, I had something like that. I thought, wow, that's me an angel. That's what most of my life since then has been based on. Absolutely. I was here. God's given me this thing to do. He's put me in charge of this. You're going to do this.
Speaker 2:There's a few times that the ego's clipped in when you're driving a new car or you fly me on private planes. I was doing a TV show once. I came off and you know, they had a chauffeur for me, kindly enough to take me back to the hotel, to take me to the airport. And I come off the stage and I said to my wife where the hell's my chauffeur? Oh, she's a quiet girl, man, a southern girl. But she slapped me and said if I ever hear you say that again, this marriage is over. So it's stuff like that keeps me grounded, you know. But yeah, it's a. It's a crazy journey so far and I'm loving it. I'm still loving it every day, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I want to. I want to touch on something that I think is is very important in any journey, whether it's your mental health journey, whether it's you're trying something that seems impossible, like going to selection and and achieving, whether you know, becoming a green beret, navy SEAL Ranger, whatever. It's the faith component. And a lot of people have a hard time accepting the program, the 12-step program, because of that faith component. But it's powerful, it's absolutely needed. When you are at your absolute worst, when you're at the very rock bottom, you have to explore faith, you have to.
Speaker 2:In your journey. How does faith show up to you now? Oh, I don't go to church. I do not read, not read the bible. Don't believe in any crap. I do. I've got it's the same god in the bible. But it's my spiritual journey. Man, I I've never seen a real alcoholic sober. I haven't done it, usually all dead because they refuse to believe. There's 3 000 gods freaking. Pick one. You're living in the gutter. I'm not believing in god. Good for you, go die, go drink. I'm not interested in you.
Speaker 2:It's very, very important because here's what happens, guys. The mind sits inside the brain, hence the better mind over matter. So this guy mind can program. Okay, it's energy. You can't see it. Once we change in your pathways okay, work on the child of trauma once we connect with a spiritual power outside you, your dna changes. Why is that important? I'm not the same man as when I met john. My dna changed.
Speaker 2:So the spiritual side of it is a hundred percent, if you don do for me, and thousands and millions of people that I've been in front of all have the same thing. We have a spiritual path that we follow. Do you go to it? No, see, I'm a big believer. For me that I don't have to go to a building at 10 am on a Sunday. So God can hear me. He can hear me right now. He's sat right here. He guides me, protects me. God can hear me. He can hear me right now. It's sat right here. He guides me, protects me.
Speaker 2:We used to go into houses back in Dallas and retrieve daughters and sons in a crack addict den. We hired special forces that were armed to go in, but I was the first one in that door. I never got harmed. So God's going to protect and harm you wherever you go, as long as you're stood in the sunlight of the Spirit. As long as you're stood in the sunlight of the spirit, as long as you go. I always explain it like this so if you're at home, texas, choose the Cowboys. You want Channel four. You put on a Cowboys and there you're. There You're in the screen, you're shouting at the ref, you jump it. It's like your brain knows you're there in the stadium. Then your five-year-old son gets so remote control and starts flicking through all the other channels and now you're aware there's 3,000 channels, channel four, that's all you've got to be interested in until you achieve that goal and move on and stay connected to standing in the sunlight of the spirit man and everything becomes possible.
Speaker 2:Now, oh, my God, my life changed overnight. Rob, my God, I got this offer for my job. It was already there. It's probably happened a thousand times to you, but you were blind to it. You know, you put these things on what other people thought of you. Your weight does not define you. Your teeth, your hair, it does not define you. What defines you is now what you do today.
Speaker 2:Now, my past became my greatest asset going forward. So I don't sit down with somebody and go, hey, you know something? I went to Oxford University for like six years and then I start. I was going to do, hey, listen, buddy, I know exactly where you are because I've done it. Yeah, but, dr Rob, what do you know? You've never been? Check, check, check, check, check, check. You want to carry on this game. Because he's prepared me for everything coming my way and I've stood there like a monument, a statue, and I never bowed down before, no man, and I never crawl for anything because I've got his power behind me. And it's amazing how I see that when people come, you know, and you get your atheist there, you know, and that's fine. It's not my business what you believe or anything With my journey, with the people around me and the patients I've treated. If it's not there, you're not going to make it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's absolutely true. It has to be part of the journey and everybody has to come to it, and that's a difficult part, though we can't force somebody to come to that realization. How do you approach that and how has that and get them to understand that they're holding the key to their own prison?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that. Danny, I tell a story that was a true story. I'm coming back from England. We get from the plane me and my buddy we've done a visit to England or something and it's stormy, it's raining. We almost canceled the flight but off we went and we're climbing through this rain and the lightning and you know everyone's like, oh, this is not good, it's not good. And we get to a height and we're still it's. You know there's a little bit of turbulence and then, for whatever reason, the plane dropped. Now it probably dropped to get away from the storm, but nobody said anything. The pilot didn't come up and everybody grabbed the arm and this was like my buddy lent over to me. He said hey, rob, but there's not many atheists on this plane right now.
Speaker 2:When it gets bad enough, you'll believe, and that's what we don't. If you've not been to treatment before, go and use your insurance contract treatment first. Or can I not come to you? Yeah, we'd rather you not, because by the time you get here, everyone's tried. You're the worst of the worst, and now you're ready to believe that this journey is part of what we're going to do.
Speaker 2:Man, whether you believe it or not is, de minimis. Right now there's 3 000 gods. Pick one, I don't care what you do. It cannot be a switch, it cannot be a tree, it cannot be a group. You know it has to be something that's powerful outside. Does that and mine can connect with? And I want you going to church and with the voice you get I don't want you reading the bible I read the bible they start to look at you and go, wow, look what you've accomplished in your. You have a spiritual journey. So talking to them on that level.
Speaker 2:So when somebody comes in, they call me the gordon ramsay of the addiction world because I curse like crazy when. And the reason why I do it is to shock the brain. So if somebody comes, you know I've told people to come up in a room. I do everything to make sure I grab their attention. And when you do, I think one brain connects with another, because you have centralized the mirroring part of the brain and you believe, because they believe, because I believe have similar to the mirroring part of the brain and you believe, because they believe, because I believe, and all of a sudden they start to see the miracles, uh, that happen when you follow this path and, most of all, I'll have to go around, go to church, you know, wear a suit, what? None of that, it's nobody else's business. That your spiritual guy, nobody else's business. They may ask when they see the miracles happening in your life, because they will.
Speaker 2:We've never let a guy or girl go now that hasn't achieved the dreams that we all discussed when they came on board, but it's really important. I mean, go test it. Go try and be an atheist for a day or two or a week or a month or whatever. It works out for you, fantastic. But when you're suffering, you can't do this on your own without that spiritual. So again, it's the, it's being able to speak on any level, like.
Speaker 2:I've worked with ceos and multi-billion dollar banks. I've worked with guys who sweep the road. I've worked with rock stars, movie stars, I've worked with people off tv and it's all the same. Once you start talking this addiction, we're all the same. It does not discriminate and the way out is a, b and c. So here's the deal, when they come in.
Speaker 2:This is what I'm going to do. You're leaving a spiritual journey. You've got to do that, you agree? Well, I'm not too sure. Well, you can't come bye. The pilot's coming.
Speaker 2:Dr rob, I've got a spell, I've got a check. You can write and no't do it. There are three components that I need to work with. You've got to be ready, and I know if you're ready, I'll offer you alcohol and drugs in my office one more time before I tell mom and dad If you agree to that, you go. You can't come on board. You've got to have the spiritual journey on board. Things start to happen Every single day. I'll start getting better and better and better.
Speaker 2:I'm in the position now, denny, where I don't take any shit of anybody, like you know some of the big guys. Well, I've just paid you 100 grand a month to come in. I don't give a shit. You think I care if you come on board or not. You think I give a shit about it? I don't give a shit about that.
Speaker 2:So either get back on your fucking plane, go home, or you're coming on board, because most people, when they get into the addiction world, are surrounded by yes, men, or surrounded by people who you don't exist. You're a Mr Nobody. People stepping over you in the streets, like they did with me, throwing diapers at you because you're unconscious, you don't know. It's like enough of them days. It's time to stand up now and if you want to believe in the elf who replaced our teeth, the teeth fairy, I'm going to believe. Believe it, because it's going to get me to the place you are talking to me about. I can see the stuff you've been through and if this works for you, then, god, it's got to work for me.
Speaker 1:And that's how we get through that deal. Yeah, it's absolutely true. We have to understand that individuals need to come to that point where they're ready to go. They're ready, and that's what sucks too, though it does. You can. You can want it so bad for somebody, but until they get to their absolute rock bottom and they have to understand it's their rock bottom. That's a part that sucks for family members, for friends. But the one thing I tell people is they stop enabling, stop taking your friends out to bars. If you just even think your friend might have a drinking problem, why are you incorporating a get-together that involves drinking?
Speaker 2:That's when your true friends are around you. If you've got more than two or three people in your end circle, you've probably got two or three more than you should have. You should have one really good person around you. It's got you back 24 hours a day, a couple more if you've grown up with them, like you and your guys. Um, but yeah, it's uh. The understanding of what people are going through is very important. So we have to say and show this out there, show me friends, I, you, your future.
Speaker 2:If you have friends that are taking you around the bars and don't really care about your disease, you can probably recover. Don't remember that, guys. Then he's not your guy man, he's not your guy. You know. If he's drinking every day you go into the apartment or drinking wine in the early days. This is I mean I. I pour my wife's wine sometimes. It doesn't bother me. The compulsion has been taken away. But in the early days they're not your guys.
Speaker 2:Find people who are just like you before you've been through you know. If they have a business going, hang around them. If you want to start your own business, if they're on 80 grand, you're on 20 grand, hang around them, guys. You know, the more people you hang around want to be, the more you'll become. Hang around, want to be them. What you'll become? Hang around nine depressed people, you will become the 10th.
Speaker 2:Oh, how do we know this? Well, we did our own experiment. As usual, they've got nine actors in the waiting room right here, san antonio, and one patient who we said come in, we're going to give you a free session on this 90s. Amazing. Uh, we got the nine actors in. They were told to all tech places don't know each other, as if they were patients. But when a buzzer sounds, you need to stand up, count to five and I'll sit down again. That's all you've got to do, one by one. We'll call you in and the woman walks in. The place was set. Nine people stood up. She's on her phone, she looks up quick. She's back down again 45 seconds. Ah, they all stand up again. So phone goes down and she's looking around. They all sit down again. Ah, third buzzer, three minutes. Third buzzer she stood up with everybody else. Didn't know why, because they were doing it. She was going to fit in. Everyone wants to fit in and sat down. So that was interesting, as we call these actors in one by one as if they were patients. She was left on her own. Call these actors in one by one as if they were patients. She was left on her own and she stood up.
Speaker 2:So if you can imagine, if you hang around them people without you knowing subconsciously, you're going to get their their look at life. You're going to do what they do without even knowing. Even if you hang around with somebody that has a stupid saying that you can't stand, shut up, was one of my friends like. Why do you say that stupid two months later? Shut, oh my god. I've got to be careful because everything's in patterns, everything's in vibration, everything's in. You've got to sit in that pattern that you want to sit if you want to sit at the table and he won't let you build your own table and have your guys around that like guys you serve with guys that don't matter what's going've got you back 24 hours a day. It's them guys you need to hang around. So you need to pull away from the old people. I can always go back to Manchester and I can help people that are suffering. I just can't live there anymore and that's the difference.
Speaker 1:That's true environment. We got to make sure we're in the right environment, that that allows us to thrive. I don't put myself in situations where I know it's going to be nothing but drinking and and that that that bar mentality, especially with individuals that haven't gone through their journey of healing. Because for some reason, as men, we tend to think that the only time we can express our emotions is if we're drinking. And I know for a vast majority of guys whether it's a, a funeral, uh, you know, an event to honor a fallen member, like I know for a fact. The moment that everybody gets together and the alcohol starts pouring, anger, sadness, all that stuff surfaces back up and it makes it easier to drink more because then you can express yourself. So it's just, it's either going to be guys fighting at each other, yelling at each other and then eventually sharing and divulging the truth. They missed a brotherhood, they miss friends, they're so sad, individuals are gone, so it's like you remove yourself from the environment. I mean, go before it turns to 6 pm drink fest, yeah.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine, though, how much pain them guys are in. Oh yeah, alcohol to bring it out of them. Now, most of it is stuck in the subconscious mind. They don't know about it, but the pain you know. We studied this as well with you know. Gangs of people going out and drinking, and it'll become mushy at the end of the night and I love you and all that. They're things that men are not supposed to share with another man. So we stuff all them things down nine or ten times the enmeshment from parents, like grandfather never told dad that he was all. So many loved him, and stuff like that. So we're not validated or approved as a child, so we're never going to sit.
Speaker 2:You know, imagine me back at the door in between college. I was huge. I was huge Standing next to the other bodybuilders If I had to go. Hey, jim, can I speak to you about? You know, gina, can I speak to you about? You know, I've got a little thing going. I was crying before in the house. Can you imagine that? Are you kidding me? Shut up. We don't talk about stuff like that. We grew up with a bunch of people that were never supposed to feel anything. You know, a stiff upper lip. They called it in England. We never cried at anything. It's just. It's not good for us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and of course, now we know that that's not the right way to go about things. We finally understand the importance of going through and talking, getting things out, but it's still deeply rooted in that American male culture of you just drink about it, I just go have a drink, and so I. Ultimately, I always urge people take some time for yourself, sit down and truly explore. When you had your first drink, what led you to have your first drink, what keeps you drinking, what makes it socially acceptable for you to sit down? I knew that I had, and I don't really deal with it anymore, but social anxiety was a big reason why I drank in excess.
Speaker 1:When I was out with friends, I didn't like to be around big crowded areas. I didn't want to be around, feel like people are staring at me. I drank a lot. When I went out and I was with my friends, I was usually the first one to slam four or five drinks as fast as I could, so I could feel at ease and I was just thinking oh, you know, I'm just relaxing.
Speaker 1:And then ultimately, through that exploration and then exploring how I used it to deal with my own issues, I realized like no, this is highly addictive. I was using it to try to cope and deal and tell myself I needed to fall asleep. None of these things are actually true. All of it was deeply rooted in other issues that I had to go talk to somebody and had to get help for. And once I got over to those things, I realized I didn't really have a place for alcohol in my life.
Speaker 1:Because if I'm telling myself that I want to wake up, I want to be better physically, I want to perform better, I want to be an athlete, I want to run, I want to do endurance events, how does alcohol fit into all that? How does alcohol fit in my life? Well, easily, it doesn't. It doesn't help me in any way. It doesn't improve. The old myth that we all grew up with was a little bit of red wine is really good for you. Now we know that myth has been busted. There's no need for it. There's no positive effect for it. So if there's no positive effect for it, then I'm not going to put it in my life and I think more people are starting to do that. But there's still such a big fight and to keep it in our lives and, like you said earlier, like COVID was a great reminder. Like all the things that they were championing to stay open weren't the best things for us.
Speaker 2:And we looked at the stats around San Antonio and alcohol consumption went up by 19 percent, divorces went up by 3 percent and you can just rattle all this stuff up that went on. It's like alcohol is a depressant. When you're going to drink it in excess, what makes you think you're going to be happy? Because you're really not. And now we know today that any poison we put into our body uh, with the food that we eat and the alcohol and stuff is just killing us man. It's eating you and killing you absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1:You know, we think about the way that science has advanced and the way that we treat so many different things. How have you advanced in your protocols in your treatment of alcoholics? Um, because there are so many new things. You. You mentioned brain spotting like what are some new tools that you're bringing to the fight?
Speaker 2:the biggest one that we found is about six months ago I came across this software called Nine Dimensional, so we created our own company around it, the Breathboxstudio, the website. You put the headphones on, you put the mask, you lie down and you chill out. There's 52 programs checking you through breath, work and all this stuff going on. You've got a leading voice and then you've got music as well and stuff like that. But what you don't hear is the nine subliminal messages that you're getting every couple of minutes. So that sense is straight into the subconscious, which then becomes, comes into fruition and becomes action and belief. It's the biggest, biggest tool I've ever seen. It kind of puts EMDR a million miles away. It's like steroids. I tell you, everybody's talking. This is the action that people get. What the was that? We go right and they go. Oh my God, I feel absolutely amazing and we say, no, you don't, you feel normal. This is the way human beings are supposed to feel, and we've had about 500 people We've only had it for about five months through that, and from housewives to grandmas. We've just started treating Alzheimer's and dementia with this tool. It's all the same, oh my God. So we brought that in. We brought brain spotting, which is like a wand that you use like a pointer and you know it's eye fluttering and you can pulse without the subconscious mind. We use that and subliminal messaging and behavior.
Speaker 2:So when somebody comes up to the office first time in first time, then he's going to come in. He's going to be anxious, probably dressed nice. You know it's going to be hard to get into it. We need to take him from oh my god, this is my first appointment to god. These guys are like family. He's awesome and we've got to do it in minutes. So let's say he's a dallas cowboys man. He parks the car, even if to put cones out. He parks the car in the place we want him to park the car. We may put cones out or whatever. He parks the car in the hedge. There's a dallas cowboy uh cup or drink or whatever with the label of dallas cowboys. He doesn't see it but subliminally he sees it. Then he walks to our office. He presses the buzzer so secure. We open it. The first girl he sees is an assistant that's got a Dallas Cowboys T-shirt on her hand. When he sits down in the waiting room, dallas Cowboys are playing on the TV. When he gets into the office to see me, all the things have gone. There's so many things we have in common. Before he sits into my room, he sits down and I've got davis cowboy scarf on it. Now all that stuff has dropped away, because familiarity is what we're looking for. So we bring six months of the therapy right down to six minutes, so now we can approach him. Now we can start putting stuff in his mind, because he's relaxed and he's and he's, you know, feels at home because of all this stuff that we've done. So there's a lot of that stuff going on behind the scenes that you don't know. And building people up is big man. I mean we don't compliment people anymore Like I have officers in Dallas.
Speaker 2:One day this guy comes in. He's suicidal, the police have brought him. He comes in, he spends an hour with me. Now there's a new nurse there and one that's been with us for about four years. He comes out, he's smiling, he's high-fiving the nurses and off he goes.
Speaker 2:The young nurse said oh my God, did you see what Dr Rob just did? And the other nurse said I know right, he's absolutely amazing. And the other nurse says I know, have you told him that? Oh no, I mean, he already knows, nobody knows. Now, that guy, nobody knows. Stop thinking, we already know, we don't. We need to be validated, and I don't mean in a needy way. We need to be validated, we need to be approved, we need to be. You know, greg Gannaboy, that's amazing. I do it all the time, at least 100 times a day, because it changes people right there, and then we don't validate people. Today, I will bless the toilet cleaner at the airport. He's got his head down. I'll go. Hey, buddy, there's $20. Why don't you buy a sandwich? He's like what? Oh my God, oh my, I've made his day. It doesn't cost a lot to make people's day and change attitudes. And if someone's listening, oh, that's just not true.
Speaker 2:Next time you're in a built-up area of people watch for somebody with nice sneakers walking towards you and I want you to say two words nice sneakers, nice sneakers. He's going to go. Oh, thank you, man, Sit him down and watch him walk away. He's going to look down at his sneakers at least two or three times. You've changed his fricking world right there. And then, but guess what, when he goes on to the wife or girlfriend because he's in a good mood now, she's in a good mood, and the mother. And you get it, man. Everybody's changed with two fricking words, man. Two words, that's all you got to do. You know, it's amazing how we can change and save lives every single day.
Speaker 2:There's a story of a guy I always tell it when I'm doing my seminars goes to the Golden Gate Bridge, throws himself off, commits suicide. The police pull him out of the water. They find identity. They go back to his apartment looking for next of kin. What they find on the table true story is very interesting. They find a note that says I'm going to walk to the Golden Gate Bridge, throw myself off and commit suicide, unless on the way there somebody smiles at me, nods at me and it's an hour's walk, says good morning to me. In that case I'll stop right, then I'll turn around and I'll try again tomorrow. Question how many people have you walked past today? Who's heading to the Golden Gate Bridge? See, we just never know.
Speaker 2:The depression, the PTSD, thed, the loneliness, the isolation, the abandonment, when you could just say something that's going to change their lives, man, and you get. You get paid back for that shit. You really do. I've seen it so many times when people were and me. You know it's just. This is how we should be living life. Get off your phones, guys. Get off your phone, get out yourads, look at the real world.
Speaker 2:You never know.
Speaker 1:You never know what somebody's fighting and going through Exactly.
Speaker 2:I know something that's true is everybody goes through something. When I see somebody, I think, struggling, and we sat down or sit down to a lesson, I ask them one question what are you going through that nobody else knows about the stuff you're going through that keeps you up at night. I don't know. Hundreds of, hundreds of thousands of people have said that to. Not one person has ever said oh nothing, I'm fine. Never, Because when you hit them right there, it's how are you doing today? Nobody asks me that how are you doing today, Rob? Wow, I have to stop and think about that. We can change lives.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I can't thank you enough for being here today, doc, it is so important to talk about this subject. I already want to bring you back on because I feel like we have to have this talk with addiction at least once or twice a month because still to this day, people have a hard time accepting that this is a problem that is actually co-occurring and actually amplifying the suicide rate. We have built a culture of drinking amongst our military, amongst our elite warriors, and people still want to say it's not that bad, people are just going through anxiety and depression. Let me tell you, it is deeply rooted in suicide.
Speaker 1:If you could do one thing today, if you could just do one thing, list out all the reasons why you drink, and if it's overwhelming positive for you, good, awesome. But if it's not, walk away from it. I urge you walk away from it because it literally it may save your life. Because when I was dealing with my mental health issues, the number one thing I kept reaching for was that bottle of fucking Jameson. And I'm telling you, maybe you don't have an issue, but be willing to be a sensor, be willing to look at your friends and if you identify at least one of your friends that may be drinking too much. Have the courage, have the courage to be there for them and refer them to someone like Dr Rob Kelly. Dr Rob Kelly, dr Rob, where can people reach you and where can they go to find out more information about your clinic?
Speaker 2:So if you're listening, guys, not watching, I spend my time with two Bs, so it's R-O-B-B-K-E-L-L-Ycom. Jump on there. We're on all social medias. Put Dr Rob Kelly in any search engine up or pop social medias. But dr rob kelly in any search engine, up our pot. Um, if you are looking, I don't run this company. It's called breathboxstudio, is the website, especially veterans. Uh, if you're looking for 30 minutes, you're going to change your life. I mean, literally change your life. Uh, give us a call, man, just jump on the website, book yourself a session. First session is only 35 dollars, I think. If you've gone through, uh, the think, if you've gone through the stuff that you've gone through, denny, the guys that are out there, I'm going to charge you shit, man, I'm telling you right now. But, yeah, come and have fun. There's a book out there. Remember the thing I told you about my last thing? My daughter said to me Daddy, daddy, stop drinking. So we'd finished the book about four years ago. We didn't have a title.
Speaker 2:In the middle of the night, my eldest daughter texted me after 30 years. I said hey, dad. She called me, dad, danny. I was like what am I up for? She said I want to see you. I've seen you on TV here, but I don't believe what Mom told me all these years. So we have people around us, as you can imagine.
Speaker 2:So within four hours we're on a plane heading back. We get there next morning. We go around. I'm so scared, danny, I'm so scared, all the bad shit coming. I'm crying. I'm scared, man.
Speaker 2:I couldn't even knock on the door, but she opened it. She must have been looking for us. We fell into each other's arms. We cried, we laughed. I was just. She took me by my hand, she walked me into her living room. She handed me my three-month-old granddaughter that girl is my lead therapist and I said to her living room and she handed me my three-month-old granddaughter that girl is my lead therapist and I said to her we've wrote a book. And she said what about the last thing? I said to you, dad? And I said I can't remember what I said. Daddy, please stop drinking. Let's give 10 copies away. So if you mention myself or Denny or the show, just come and find me, come and message me or whatever. I'll sign it personally for you. I'll pay for the shipping and everything, on one condition that you give this away to somebody else when you're finished with it.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And if you pause right now, go to episode description or just look right here, hit me up, slide in the DMs. If you'd like a copy, let's make it happen. We'll get. Did you say 10? We'll get 10 copies. Let's give them away.
Speaker 1:Once this episode airs, I will promote this everywhere, because you may not deal with alcohol addiction, you may not be dealing with it, but I'm telling you somebody close to you, especially in the military, probably does, and I guarantee you maybe my, uh, my challenge to question why you drink won't touch you when you hear an emotional story like the one Rob just shared. Uh, it may, it may be the final thing that will get somebody to question how much they're drinking. I'm telling you there's no greater fight to get involved in Drugs, alcohol. They're directly leading to our suicide epidemic. So please, please, join me and the Special Forces Foundation. Get in the fight, stay, help us end this suicide epidemic.
Speaker 1:And I'm telling you guys, get involved. Wherever you can, however, you can get involved. Reach out to your friends. Get ahold of Dr Rob Kelly and let him know that if you have a friend that's in need, and figure out how you can get them there. Again, dr Kelly, thank you so much for being here and to everybody listening. Thank you for tuning in and we'll see you all next time. Until then, take care.
