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Running Through Adversity: Jason L Coffrin on Ultra Marathons, Mental Resilience & Veteran Strength
In this powerful episode of Security Halt!, host Deny Caballero sits down with Jason L Coffrin to explore the relentless pursuit of adventure, resilience, and self-discovery.
From the tranquility of fishing to the grueling endurance of ultra marathons, Jason shares his transformative journey—highlighting the physical and mental battles he faced while preparing for the Moab ultra race. His story underscores the power of pushing through pain, embracing community support, and the life-changing impact of endurance sports.
Key Topics Covered:
✔️ Why Ultra Marathons Are More Than Just Running—They're Mental Battles
✔️ Overcoming Adversity: How Jason Faced a Near-Fatal Fall & Kept Going
✔️ The Connection Between Physical Challenges & Mental Resilience
✔️ How the Veteran Community & Adventure Sports Inspire Growth
✔️ The Importance of Pushing Limits & Finding Purpose Beyond the Military
Jason’s story is a testament to resilience, determination, and the drive to seek new challenges—no matter the obstacles. Whether you're a runner, veteran, adventurer, or someone looking for motivation to tackle life's difficulties, this episode will ignite your passion for perseverance.
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Chapters
00:00 Navigating Chaos: Balancing Life and New Beginnings
02:16 The Allure of Fishing and Adventure
06:42 From Hiking to Ultra Marathons: A Journey of Endurance
12:58 Overcoming Challenges: The Mental Game of Running
19:34 Training for Moab: The Road to Resilience
27:51 Facing Adversity: The Final Countdown to Moab
28:19 Running in Moab: A Journey Begins
31:36 The Fall: A Life-Changing Moment
33:35 The Decision: No Hospital, Just Healing
36:31 Mental Resilience: Pushing Through Pain
39:42 The Power of Community: Supporting Each Other
41:39 Finishing Strong: Overcoming the Odds
44:40 Human Connection: Beyond Military Bonds
50:34 Challenging Ourselves: The Importance of Hard Things
52:50 Looking Ahead: Future Challenges and Adventures
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Security Odd Podcast. Let's go the only podcast that's purpose-built from the ground up to support you Not just you, but the wider audience, everybody. Authentic, impactful and insightful conversations that serve a purpose to help you. And the quality has gone up. It's decent and it's hosted by me, danny Caballero. Jason, welcome to the show man. How you doing, I'm good. How?
Speaker 2:about you.
Speaker 1:Doing well. Man, I'm freaking. Everything's a little chaotic at the moment. I'm running multiple things and it's like when you start something new you have to like get a new battle rhythm, get things situated, so then it gets all flow. You like throw something in and for like. For like two, two and a half weeks it gets a little squirrely to. Everything gets planed out and everything's like plugged in where it should be.
Speaker 1:So it's like right new kid new customers, it's like oh shit, fuck all right, all right, all right. Few nights I'm not gonna sleep and school, but knock that out of park. Done with this semester for the time being, until a couple more weeks.
Speaker 2:So one thing off the plate. Did you just say new kid?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, first one Congratulations. Thank you, brother.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, it's amazing, but it definitely makes you feel like fuck, I am doing way too much. I have to spend time. I cannot be here too much. Like I have to spend time, like I have to. Like I cannot be here 24 seven. I have to get out of this unplugging like yeah, some time with this little human.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it, or they'll just you'll. You'll literally watch their life go by, and yours as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, my wife's a good, good reminder. She's like you're not going to get these moments back, because initially, like you want to wake up and go right out the gate every morning. But then it's like, oh shit, like maybe maybe I can go work out a little later, maybe I can do something instead of my full morning workout and just cherish this moment of this little human being up, yeah, like at 4 am with me. It's like, okay, I'm gonna take this in.
Speaker 2:So there's nothing wrong with switching it up yeah getting rid of it is the bad thing, but you know, but switching it up, I mean that's, that's just life.
Speaker 1:As long as you're still getting it in there and you're switching it up, that means it's a priority abso-fucking-lutely man but, today, man, I want to dive into your journey, dude, like you, uh, you're involved in something that I think every, every person at some point, especially like our veterans, can romanticize the ability of like just having the, the, the, the freedom to jump out and go fishing on a freaking boat and like travel and just freaking sport fishing, like.
Speaker 1:For the last few years, my, my entire life revolved around northwest florida, through station and okay we have amazing fishing and you oh yeah, you do anything to like look out into that water and you see them. You see the charter boats leaving every morning and you're like so were you over in the jacksonville area? No, dustin, florida. Uh, I was formerly at seventh group, so we're like stationed right there in the, uh, that northwest florida area, okay gotcha.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm up in dustin right now, so I'm oh no way yeah I'm right in that northwest Florida area. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, I'm up in Destin right now. Oh, no way. Yeah, I'm right down the street from Eglin Air Force Base. When I post those stories in the morning of me, running with the dog in the weigh vest, we actually stop at some property in Eglin Air Force Base. I always take a selfie with the danger sign. Nice dude, it says do not cross.
Speaker 1:So I, you know, boom dude, I'll be down there in a couple. Uh, actually next week I'm doing a run down there. Uh, shout out to the, the folks who put together the savage loop. Uh, I mean a buddy of mine who's now a business partner. We're gonna take our newest team member and we're going to run and try not to kill ourselves running that adventure.
Speaker 2:Nice, what is it? What is it? A marathon?
Speaker 1:It's 42 miles. It does a loop around the military areas right down there at Destin Bridge.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So we're going to suck for a day and hang out and then hopefully have dinner at McGuire's, because it'll be well-deserved.
Speaker 2:When is that?
Speaker 1:It starts March 15th at 5.30 in the morning or 6. The deadline to sign up is coming up this week. The deadline to get your shirt is March 9th, I believe.
Speaker 2:But you can sign up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll send you the link. Man, send me the link, I'll do it, I'm here, hell yeah, send you the link, man.
Speaker 2:Send me the link, I'll do it. I'm here, hell yeah. Yeah, I'm I just. I just rented this airbnb for the entire month. I'm kind of and we'll get into it in this podcast, but I'm kind of month to month. Right now you know when it's gonna get done and get shipped, so I have this one till the 30th.
Speaker 1:I'll run it with you guys hell yeah man let's go yeah, it's, uh, it'll be fun because, uh, our newest team member, she's not military at all, so we're like, dude, we'll do five, ten miles, we'll walk, we'll jog, we'll keep going, and then uh, that's the reward about finishing yes, absolutely, especially for somebody never done it, that's the whole mental side just finish yeah, and I did.
Speaker 2:I did not on my first one. I gave up at mile 72 on my first 100 and I read it. I still regret it to this day. And I was in first place? No way. Well, I was. It was funny. So I got into the second or third. No, it was a second rest stop, um, and I got in and there was a bunch of people there, so I never thought I was in first place. And a guy walks up to me and he goes we're ahead, ahead of everybody. These are the 40 mile runners.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I wasn't, you know, I was with the guys finishing the 40 mile, not the 100. So I was running their pace and I I saw them running that I didn't realize in the morning. They left the same time as us. I figured they left later, so everybody kind of fit, but it they all left the same time. So I just kept up with their pace and yeah, I was like so. But what happened was they had one of the, they had one of the loops where you do twice yeah.
Speaker 2:And I did it three times and then went straight, and that just you know. You know what I mean. F my mind up it just it ruined me, and then after that, I kept running and then I just it was raining out and I made the mistake of getting in the truck and sitting Done.
Speaker 1:Dude, never, never get into the fallout truck.
Speaker 2:And before and before I was doing it, I was either standing or I'd grab a beach chair that's sitting there you know uncomfortable sitting back in it. You know, let me eat my food and go. And then I sat in the truck and they had the heated seats and it was done, done, done, raining out 30 degrees yeah it was in um, it was in ocala national forest.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, yeah, it was called the. Uh, it was beautiful. I think I want to do it again. It was called the forgotten florida 100 dude, that's, it was my first one ever and I was in first place. So that was that. You know. That's that quarterback moment, you know yeah back when I was your age, I was going to cut you know that kind of thing, but then I turned around and finished moab 240 so it's definitely it's definitely mental.
Speaker 2:It's mental. So I've only done two in my life, that one hundred. I failed. And then I do Moab and finish and I didn't even have socks.
Speaker 1:No shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I forgot my socks.
Speaker 1:Dude, how did you get into that? Let's dive into that Well.
Speaker 2:I got into that from basically kind of trickle effect from hiking. I loved hiking out west so I would take basically I'd work all year and I would take this is when I ran my family's jewelry store just a few years ago we actually just closed it down in November I would go out West in August and I just I just wanted to hike and fly fish, kind of like bow hunting or hunting. You know I'd pick a spot and I'd pick a river off trail and we'd try to get to it, me and my buddies, and then you know, kind of spend four or five days there fishing and then you know, hike it, hike it back in and then finish the whole trail. So we'd try to find roundabout trails and then we'd go off it fish, get back on trail and then finish the loop. Hell yeah, and we had one in Idaho 2000, 2019. It was 19. So and it was in August, so we didn't really know about the pandemic yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's when California had those really bad fires, and so I was up in the Sawtooth Mountains with a buddy of mine named Roman and he got a call on my inReach. You know those basically little sat thing yeah little sat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got a text on there and it just said hurry home. And it didn't say who, didn't say why. So we're both looking at each other. Like I was like roman, this could be for you, because I'm single, I, I think I had a sat phone too. I think if it was like my mother or family, yeah, I would have got a call.
Speaker 2:So I'm like this has got to be you, dude yeah and then he recognized you know how on the inter-age it just pops up phone number she can't really save, um. And so his uh, the fire got backed up to him and his girlfriend's horse farm and she was there with, like I think, six or eight horses. She had lambs trying to get them all out of there and he's on a hike, so it's like the height's over, you know. Yeah, um, so I was like, do we do? And it was like 2 am, we were just hanging out.
Speaker 2:I was like I was like I'm absolutely okay with you know, getting you out of here. Let's, let's pack up now, let's leave the tents out. You know, pack up the tents, just sleep in sleeping bags and haul ass in the morning and that's what heading there. So, but it's still good to have, you know, the boyfriend around, of course, yeah, but he got back there and everybody was safe and so then I had like five days. So I was like I'm from Florida in a truck, you know, and I got, and I got a dog with me, I'm like, I'm from Florida in a truck.
Speaker 2:You know and I got and I got a dog with me. I'm like, what do I do for five days? So I knew from Instagram I need the people that own the, the bow rack Wayne and Lisa Indicott, and that's over in Oregon. And it was only like another four and a half I think, not even four and a half hours, um, from where I was, and I had my bow with me when I was traveling. I'd stay at a hotel and I'd look up, you know, if there was a bow shop around. I love bow hunting. Uh, just started doing it, but I already had my bow with me, so I had it over there and I met them. And then I met, uh, they introduced me to Cameron Haynes, bow hunter runs, ultras, been on the Joe Rubin podcast and, um, he's really made a name for himself, yeah.
Speaker 1:Great, great author, great book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, his book's phenomenal. He's got a book coming out, I think the end of this week.
Speaker 1:Oh nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he's got a third book coming out at the end of this week. I'm almost positive it is. It's either the beginning of next week or the end of this week. And so I met him and we shot a few times did not his lift run shoot or anything, that didn't exist yet but we ran his mountain and we shot at Indica Farms and stuff like that. And he kept talking about these ultras and I just kept listening and I was like oh yeah, oh yeah, you know, like I can do that. I'm one of those people. If you keep talking about it, yeah, if, if I, if I have an interest in it, you know, I'm just gonna keep poking, you know yeah and then he had done bigfoot, uh, which is in washington, that was a 200 I.
Speaker 2:And then he's done moab and he talked about moab a lot and I was like I got, I hung out with them. I only spent a couple days there. Uh, that time, because it really wasn't planned, I stayed in the hotel and uh, so I headed home and I bought another bow from them, learned a lot more about bow hunting. I just started and bought one. I'll, um, learn the onyx map and you know where I could get licenses and how to apply. I really got my fill with that.
Speaker 2:So then you know that started to turn the turn the wheels on the ultra marathon and, like I go into things pretty stupid, like you don't have to run Moab to be a bow hunter. But because of who I met he ran Moab and he's a bow hunter I like, oh, that's what you have to do, okay, you know, like, like, kind of, join in the military. Oh, you have to be in the special teams to be in the military. Well, yeah, because you're talking to a guy in the special teams, you know like, yeah, this is the only way to go.
Speaker 2:He's not going to tell you to be a medic. You know what I mean. Not in the teams. If he's in the team, you know what I mean. He, you know. Show up the buds and do it you know, so I was like all right.
Speaker 1:Did you have any background in endurance, running or anything?
Speaker 2:No, nothing, Literally nothing. I was 40 pounds overweight and my best friend had just passed away in 2018. And I ran a marathon in 2019 where he was from. I ran the Philadelphia Marathon in 2019, completely out of shape, barely finished. I ran a 454, but I did it in his name, so I went up to that was in November of 2019. And I went up saw his parents stayed in a hotel right there at the marathon. There's 30,000 runners. It was insane. All I wanted to do was run up the stairs and stand next to the Rocky trophy or the statue. That's all I wanted to do, you know and take a picture.
Speaker 2:I had a. I had a. I had a shirt on. His nickname was Wooley. His name was Paul McComb, but his nickname was Wooley after his father. So I had a. I had a jersey name called Wooley and I wanted to turn around you know, around backwards with the Wooly going upstairs and they had moved it and they put a freaking Christmas tree. It was literally over in the bushes. They literally put it on a cart and moved it.
Speaker 2:I finished the marathon in defeat. I was like I was running 26 miles for that, but in the end it's for the parents and it was. You know, it was for paul and all that. But I wanted the picture. I wanted the picture, you know, I wanted the picture, but I didn't get the picture. It was over in the bushes and it had ropes around it. You couldn't go near it, dude. So but I did finish the marathon and um and after that, um kind of went back into the routine of, you know, not working out every day and stuff. I was one of those guys even when I lived in Costa Rica from 2005 to 2017, I lived down there for about 11 years. I would get real into it, like I would get up at 4 am, run the beach down there, eat real good and then, like a client, would come down and want to drink for three days and then three days, and then they would go home and get back on their routine.
Speaker 2:Well, jason wants to keep on the fun. You know, let's, let's keep the carousel going. So I kind of did it, but I think I re related to camp because he has this whole story about him walking with a rock. And I was actually doing that on the beach. So I was doing the big wave surfer workouts where they would hold the rock under water and walk. I'm sure a lot of SEALs do that. You know.
Speaker 2:A lot of military you know to work on breath work. You know I've seen the videos that you have to go down and grab the weight, go up and drop it, go up. I was doing that stuff. So I was pushing myself. But then I was like, oh, we can all go out on ladies night, let's go, and then two weeks of no working out. So when you're doing that, consistency is key. But it showed me it was there, you know, because nobody did that side of it. They partied. But then on that hangover day I'm going to go run that beach and kill myself Cause I, I, mentally, I liked the other side better.
Speaker 2:You know, I was going out, I was literally going out and partying down there to say I went out and part. Oh yeah, I was with them last night, other than that, didn't book any charters, didn't help me get up in the morning I had a. Well, he was 19. Then he's 31 now a 19 year old first mate that looked up to me, you know. Pour his dirt. I'm showing him that you can work out once in a while and then party. Yeah, not helping myself, not helping other people, not helping clients, you know. Show up hung over on day three. They can see it, they're on vacation. This is my job. Imagine if you were a banker or you know. You're in, you're in the, you know, or you're in the teams or whatever in the military and you're hungover. No, that's not no. When you guys go out and drink, you go out and do your own thing. It's because you add a scheduled time for that, not when you're getting on the C-130.
Speaker 1:You'd be surprised, man, and that's so true. If you're a professional, you have to remember to be a professional through and through and that you have to sacrifice that amateur mentality of I can half-ass this and play along, and maybe you can, but you will eventually get flushed out, you'll eventually get found out, and nobody wants that. There's something the power of understanding that, like you, have to be held accountable, not just like the people around you, but to yourself yeah, yeah, especially if you're dragging others down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I relate that to the military. You know, if everybody got up at four and ate their breakfast and you know, got after and you're like, you know, 8 am, like what are we doing today? It's that.
Speaker 2:That's downhill, right there you know, even in my business, you know, 8am, like what are we doing today? It's that, that's downhill right there. You know, even in my business, you know, uh, the quality of work, like the, the booking people I went to, like the hotels and the booking agents. You know I come in at 10 o'clock. Oh, you were supposed to see me here at eight. Well, you're a booking agent, you know. Well, yeah, he keeps my job alive you know, and.
Speaker 2:I show up hungover. He saw me last night. As he's leaving at 10 and I'm there till two, it doesn't well, I'm not sending my guests with him. What if he shows up hungover?
Speaker 1:you know.
Speaker 2:So, back to what I was talking about, I'm weaving like Trump now.
Speaker 1:No, you're good, Perfect man. It's what we do here in security hall. There you go.
Speaker 2:But anyways, I really love that lifestyle out there. So after that marathon, that kind of stuck with me and then fast forward to 2020 or 2021, off to that hike and I met them. I went back out in 2020, hung out with them and then really got that, you know, eating wild game meat, running, lifting, shooting my bow all the time, had a blast. And then I was like, well, I'm going to run Moab, you know, and everybody at the bow rack kind of snickered and I'm not really a mean way, but like do you realize what you're saying? You know that's a big deal. Um, and then 2021, I was I, I showed back up. I showed up, I trained all year.
Speaker 2:Um, so what I did was Monday, tuesday, I lifted heavy, uh, full body workout, but heavy. So it's just exhausting. You know, one thing to another. And then I would run a short run at night. And then Wednesday, thursday, friday, I ran first thing in the morning, four or five o'clock, whatever.
Speaker 2:I decided on the beach, barefoot, to strengthen my ankles and try to. You know, I'm from South Florida, so I was trying to compensate for the mountains, you know, running running the beach, you know, is the closest thing I had. You know, running, running the beach, you know, is the closest thing I had. And then I would, uh, and then I'd run again at night, and when I ran at night, instead of going to bed I would eat dinner, everything, instead of going to bed. I ran all night. Damn, have a full day. I'd run in the morning, go to work and then, instead of go to bed, I ran till like like, or I ran 10 PM till about 4 AM when I was supposed to get up, and then I still did the 4 AM run. So it literally, instead of sleeping, I ran damn yeah.
Speaker 2:So I kind of put I, I tried to kind of put myself through my own buds. That's how I looked at it, because that's what that ultra is. The only difference is, if you do well in buds, you don't get to skip day five and six.
Speaker 2:You know like I'm doing really well can I tell you, you know what I mean. In an ultra marathon, if you run good you you get done and you're over. You know you could be done in two days, but you know. So I looked at it like that. So my training was five days a week, just absolutely miserable Cause I wanted to put it like that Didn't matter. Like my goals 140 miles a week. If I hit it on Wednesday, we're still going to Friday.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then it was kind of up. So then what I did on Saturday and Sunday was I had off, so I slept in and then not really in, and I'd be up. You know, six, seven o'clock stretch, a lot of fluid, and then those two days I literally tried to get a marathon in a day. Damn, so that'd be a 50 mile weekend. Yeah, and I break it up sometimes. You know, first thing in the morning I'd run 10, you know I, you know I'd run another five, and then I'd run 20 in the in the night until I finished. Yeah, but I, my goal was to run 50 miles Saturday and Sunday and I and I did that pretty religiously.
Speaker 2:I had a couple of times where I broke down and had to take some days off just because it just didn't happen. You know, you got days where it not because I was tired or sore, it was because, oh, this foot, there's something wrong with it. You know what I mean that kind of thing. Or this hip is literally not letting me pick it up today. I mean, let me go get a massage, let's go get it looked at, you know, like that kind of stuff, like serious maintenance, not, oh, I'm tired, no, no none of that.
Speaker 2:Like even one day I walked 15 miles cause my hip hurt, so I walked it like I did it and then um drove out, drove out to, uh, oregon again. Uh brought an RV this time and um, that was going to be home base and in Moab and we'd take the truck through the race and got COVID really bad, yeah, really bad, like it hit me. It lasted about four days but I had the fever the whole time, lost like 10 pounds just to throw up and stuff, you know, and that was one of my worst runs ever. So I had it from like Wednesday to Saturday, I remember this, and on Sunday I tried to run 12 miles up there. That was the worst run of my life, because I always do.
Speaker 2:I never do roundabouts, I always do down and backs and I always get to the end and I say fuck Uber, I'm never Ubering home. You know, that's. That's kind of like my joke. It doesn't matter how far it was, I get to the end. I tapped out. I had one run back home where I ran a fire station and I hit their. They had a flag, so I kind of wiggled the end of their flag and I'd say fuck Uber. And I'd turn around and head back. Didn't matter how bad it was If I had to walk, it was fuck Uber, let's go.
Speaker 2:But anyways, I did that and I got to a church and I didn't drop the F-bomb there, but I said, forget Uber. And I put my hand on the sign and I turned around and walked that six miles back and it was like, yeah, I had like fluid coming out and I knew I was done and I had a.
Speaker 2:I had a seven day elk hunt two weeks later too, at 11,000 feet, and you know hunting it's elk hunting is brutal. Yeah, I mean, we walked 11 to 13 miles a day. You're carrying a pack. I'm not used to 11,000 feet. I'm in Oregon, we're we're at like 2000 feet. I come in from Florida and then it just it wasn't, it just wasn't smart to do Moab. I got out of there. I was already in Utah. I drove down to the Moab area and I was still shaking from it. Like you know, I was dehydrated. My eyes look like death. I was like I could kill myself.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean and it's my being my first one I was like, no, just don't even, don't even sign up, because the last thing I wanted to do is quit, and I had a million excuses, you know. So didn't do it headed home, blew the, blew the $1,800 on the race. There's no refunds, there's no. You know that's, and I agree with that. You know, if you're going to sign up, sign up, you know so, headed home. And um, that was when the Rocky mentality got in. That was the. You know, we know we're doing this next year. It's kind of like when Jordan took his 18 months off, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like that, first year he didn't get the championship and everybody kind of made fun of him. He was old. I was like the only thing I did I think somebody at work at my jewelry store and they're my employees, so that really was bad. They were like, oh, like, oh, okay, well, too bad. You know, okay, that was it. That was, it was like all right and I didn't really like him. So I was like okay, all right.
Speaker 2:Um, next next year, same thing drove out in august, um, trained out there the whole time, got to train with camp, uh, hung out at the bow rack ate good food. I had done my same training, you know, fast forward up to August I did the same things I did because I thought that was pretty good. Um, I only had a in all that training. I only had a few days where I said I took off because of like a, you know, a serious pain where I had to go get it looked at. So you know I was doing it right. I added the ice tub, I added hot yoga, I added cold, you know, regular yoga to open up my body. I started doing some jujitsu, um, to open up my body. So what I did was just didn't spar, because I mean ultra running and jujitsu on the joints. That's the no, absolutely not. But but I learned I did the warmups. You know I did a lot of the wrestling warmups where you're walking on your hands and legs. You know doing the. You know the gorilla walks and all that. So I added that in there Got an RV park right next to Mount Pisgah, which is the one Cam's always putting in his Instagram and stuff.
Speaker 2:That's where he trains. I'm like right down at the bottom of it, like we were not playing around. So what I did when I got there was at three o'clock in the morning. I'd head over to Pisgah and I would walk with my two dogs we all had weight vest and we'd walk up it and halfway I would grab a rock and I would throw it on my shoulder and it was probably about 70 or 80 pounds and I would carry it. Uh, however far, you know, it got that day and then I would sprint down with the dogs and then I would take each dog individually. I had crates in the back of my truck with fans, so they were, you know, they were good, um, and then we would sprint up and sprint down and I would do 200 pushups at the top and we did that every morning.
Speaker 2:So the training went from about three or four in the morning till about six and then I went home hydrated, slept, got up about I don't know maybe 9 am, did some work back home, kept in contact, went over the bow rack, shot my bow, just ate all day, just food, food, food. Then about four o'clock I'd hit the gym. I got a 24 hour membership at I forget what it's called kind of like a planet fitness that they had in town so I could go anytime, because I really didn't know my workout schedule and if I need to rest more I always wanted to get the upper body workout in. So I got the 24 hour gym. So if I slept till you know 10 o'clock at night, you know I'd hit the gym and some of those where I slept in I went to the gym.
Speaker 2:It's kind of funny. Like 2 am, I look at my clock and I go 3 am mountain, let's go. I mean, the arms are running like this. The rock didn't happen on those days. I got it like a, I got it like a baby and I would just drop it. It was just brutal. But uh, I had an elk hunt that year. So I did the training in August and the elk hunt in September and then Moab was the first week of October. So that was a brutal three months. That was a hell of a summer and, um, I haven't really it's kind of cool to tell it on this podcast, but for some reason when I ran Moab I didn't really want to talk about the negatives or the funny things, like I just wanted to. I just told people how I got through it. You know how I ran it and it was good and it was good for me. But I've never really told anybody until just recently that, um, I dislocated a rib seven days before Moab.
Speaker 1:Oh shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I did what David Goggins did, which is not smart, and I think he said it was not smart. He trained all the way up to it and so did I. I've got two working dogs in an RV. That's 19 feet. You're not hanging out all day. You know, this is dad, dad, dad, dad. You know, that's one of them's up. One of them's a wolf shepherd and the other one's a Malinois shepherd. They don't sleep, you know that's. You know, I mean, you could blink your eyes and they'd be like oh, we're going running 10 miles.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's go, let's get up. You can't even stand up and they're, like you know, roundabouts. So I was like I gotta get these guys out, so you know. And then a walk doesn't work. This isn't a golden retriever. We don't go walking. You know walking's miles. Um, so we got up and I was in beautiful Moab. I left the, I left the, I um, I've hunted in the Ashley national forest, uintas, so that was Northern Utah, the green river area. Um, so then I shot down in Moab. You know it was down in South Utah, so I got down there and those red rocks and those parks I mean dogs can just go, so it was perfect for that. So I decided I was going to run with them every day and we got up to those. It was day seven, um, pre Moab, and we got up. You know those giant red rocks that are like perfectly round, they look like just big eggs.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I was going up to the top of one and I would stick a can coffee in my pocket and I'd run up there and have a coffee as the sun came up. Most I mean euphoric thing to run up a mountain as the sun's coming up, in the desert, you know, and watch the sun come up over those. I mean just made my day. You know, a family member could have died that day and a little bit of me would have been okay. Just that you know.
Speaker 1:Just in that moment it's a beautiful country. Just a moment yeah.
Speaker 2:So I get up there and one of the days, day seven, I'm on the edge of the rock sitting on it and I just start to slide. I'm on my knees, you know, you got your feet. You're just kind of sitting back and I'm watching. My body just goes and there's no stopping. Yeah, you know, there's nothing to grab, there's nothing, you know. So 45 feet I hit the ground and feet first. So my knees just get jacked up into my chest. I got lucky and did a roll. I did get very lucky. So no real damage there. But I got, like you know, I hit like this and I was able to roll and I kind of came to and I didn't really hurt that. I was like, oh okay, that's, let's not do that anymore.
Speaker 2:Well, I look up and here comes the 90 pound shepherd and he just, you know he's a working dog, he'll do whatever you do. He's just in full, full flight. All I see it's kind of funny. All I see is ball sack. It's coming, it's coming. I mean, he's just coming like one of those flying squirrels. He just I didn't see him jump, but I happened to look when he did jump and he's just going like that. And you know his, you know dog skinny legs. I had to catch it. So I spin around on my butt and I just sat back in like a cradle position and he hit my chest so hard that the upper it was this side, yeah, right side, I didn't know this at the time, but the upper one slid into my lung. He hit me here and he must've, you know, his foot. He hit me, his chest, hit my shoulder, which was kind of good because that's a very strong part of his body, not his back end. He hit me here and it must've pushed down, which pushed the rib in.
Speaker 2:And I woke up. We went home. You know, I was a little beat up, sat in the hot tub, I was in a KOA campground, I was good. But that made me realize all right, we're, you know, I'll let them just free run and I'll walk. I I an rv where the front of it the bed lays down so you can't roll off the side. You have to get off like this. So I'm sleeping and I woke up real peacefully. You know how sometimes you just kind of open your eyes, yeah, and I woke up and my arms perfectly like this, like it's in a cast, so I must have moved it like that in the morning and the other one straight down, bless you, thank you.
Speaker 2:And I'm laying perfectly straight with this arm, like this. So I kind of look down at my arm and I'm like it's like somebody put in a cast overnight and I'm like it doesn't hurt yet. So I'm like what is this? So I sit up and it feels like somebody just stuck me with a knife right there, like they just went under my arm and that's like the kill zone, like you can take somebody out there. And it just slid in and I just went and I could not breathe.
Speaker 2:I thought I was having a heart attack at first. My body started to shake, I was going, and then I couldn't let it out. So my lungs were getting big but I couldn't breathe out. I could bring it in and it was pressing against it and it wouldn't let me let the air out. So then I'm freaking out.
Speaker 2:So then finally I just dropped back to where I was because instantly, you know kind of instinct, like I wasn't hurting there, let me lay back down and the bed must have taken weight off the the rib. You know it moved somehow, I don't know, but it took pressure off the lung and I was able to breathe. So I'm laying there and I reach over and grab my cell phone and I was like 15 minutes has gone by. You know, I'm just trying to relax and the dogs are, they're just going nuts and I'm cussing and shut up and you know they're getting me anxiety and, uh, one of them's in the bed just doing donuts. You know, um, and I was like, well, it's been 15 minutes, I would have had the you know, the longest heart attack known to man. So it's not a heart attack.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm like it was the fall, it was yesterday Cause it it hurt, shoulder hurt, chest hurt from him hitting me and I was like all right. So I, if I call the hospital, moab's over, because if you have a, if you have a medical report, you know they check and stuff I'm sure they do, you know, because you got to go through a medical uh the night before the thing.
Speaker 2:So I'm sure they look people up or they get a. You know they'll get a notification, whatever it is. Yeah, that mentally that scared me. So no hospital and I was like I was almost broke. I was like no ambulance. No, you know how it goes, I can do this kind of thing, you know. Uh, so I was like no hospital and I was like, well, let me call a massage therapist, you know, I mean out Moab, they're dealing with those dirt bikers, mountain climbers, they've seen military, they've seen every injury in the book. And I got lucky. I was just going down Google and I got a guy. I do not remember his name, I'd love the name dropping, but he was able to see me for about 45 minutes in between sessions.
Speaker 2:Matt, the car ride over there was one of the most brutal things. I got a. Luckily I had a smaller truck, I had a Colorado, so it wasn't bad to get in, but just driving and arms out and you know, even the shifter to go to reverse and park having. You know, I was literally, I was doing this, I was shifting, you know, over here and I got to him and he had me sit on the edge of the bed and he had me put my arm. He already knew what was up. He had me put my arm back in that position and he said breathe in and, as you breathe out, bring your arm up, kind of like a real deep stretch. And then he'd say breathe in, as you breathe out, bring your arm up. And he got to where we worked on it for that 45 minutes and he got my arm back over my head and he said I just, I have a ton of clients. There was a dirt bike, you know, magazine, they were doing a race. I just can't, you know. I was like I got it and he said call this, call this lady.
Speaker 2:Well, she worked for a really nice resort, but I got, I got lucky and she had her own place as well. So I'd met up with her and she was downtown moab and she worked on me for 90 minutes six days in a row. I went in in the morning. I well, I can't, I don't really have a schedule. I went in whenever she had an opening. She wasn't at the the resort doing her thing, and we did it for 90 minutes and then she sent me to a chiropractor twice just to move things around. After she softened it up and it was called like Blue Ridge or it's right across the street, and we did that religiously for every day for 90 minutes twice a day, so 180 minutes of massage. And I ran Mo up, damn. For 90 minutes twice a day, so 180 minutes of massage and I, I ran my lap, damn.
Speaker 2:And then. So I had no pacers. We put the map on my phone the morning of the shotgun start because I was worried about the injury. I didn't do anything, I had no socks. Uh, I pulled into the first rest area my mother's, my crew, that's it, you know. So I pull in the first rest area. I'm dying, it just hurts. It's only 9 miles and I go to. No, I'm sorry, it was 17 miles. The first one, the first check in, was one of theirs, so I had no crew there. I was okay there.
Speaker 2:The 17 mile one was the brutal one. I got to them. Well, she got me a chair and it had broken. So when I sat on it it just collapsed. So I'm ready to kill mom. You know, I'm like what are we doing here? She didn't even she didn't have any of my food. It's like at the truck where we got no socks. That was my fault, I didn't back the socks, so she's got like water and Gatorade. So she goes and stands in line and gets me food from the actual rest area instead of my stuff. Um, and then I just kind of walk out of there and disgust. I'm like you know what am I doing?
Speaker 1:here and I'm just tons of pain.
Speaker 2:Um, so I I track on and uh, from there on out, it was just, it was, it was all mental. Um, I, you know, was all mental. Uh, I, you know, get to the next one, get to the next one. Forget the finish line. It doesn't exist. You know, get to the next one. Each one was the finish line.
Speaker 2:Uh, mom went back into town and got a very nice chair. She got one of those beach chairs that reclines vertically with the cup holders and it has a little pillow, and you know, so we dialed that. Man, that was the last thing I said to her. So I so I checked into the rest area and then, when I checked out, you know, I kind of go, go get a chair, you don't see me for 60 miles. She got a chair and, um, I have pictures of me with, uh, I have blisters bigger than golf balls on my ankles. They're, they're huge, and that was because of the no socks. Yep, yep, that sand out there. You know it's, it floats in the air. Yeah, so there was no way to prevent it in shoes. I didn't have gators, the things that go over your ankles. I had, I had nothing. Um, I had one other pair of shoes. So the first time I got in water, shoes were done.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I basically we got in water in the beginning, so I didn't. I had one pair of shoes with no socks and it was very interesting and where it really got mental. Uh, I got to a rest stop and one of the things I did was rest way too much. So the whole race I only slept three hours. I could have gone a lot less, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I slept one hour one time, which was phenomenal, and another time I slept two hours and that was awful. It was like a deep sleep, you know, and I got up to strong and it was like I gave myself some too much ibuprofen or something. I was toast. But one of the big mental things that really pushed me there was a rest area where they put out a bunch of water and there was nobody there. You just kind of help yourself with water, and it was out of water when I got there. Sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So me and another girl went 22 miles on no water. She ended up dropping out at the end. You know, when we got to that one she dropped out. She did have ankle problems so it might not have been all the water. I saw her ankle it was brutal, she had twisted it, yeah. So we teamed up and we walked together. So she did 22 miles, no water and a bad ankle. I did 22 miles.
Speaker 1:Just you know, that's guts, that's fucking guts, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was brutal but when I got to that rest area where she quit, there was another girl there. It was gonna get medevaced out and so say, this is the pad of your foot. She got blisters like a square all the way around. Well, when they popped it fell open. Yeah, it was the most brutal injury to feet that they had ever seen. And to get out the next day they could have emergency people come get her the next day if she walked 15 miles to the next stop or she had to be at that one for like three days. So it was brutal either way.
Speaker 2:And my back was turned to the medical attempt. I was getting ready to go and I just kind of did one of these and I was like I'll go with you, let's go If you want to do it, you know, because, fine, didn't mean anything, it was all about finishing then and I was doing pretty good. Didn't mean anything, it was all about finishing then and I was doing pretty good. So we walked that 15 miles and she got to that next one. Um, but that really I was like if she can do that, and when she got there and she quit, she's like I'll see you at the finish line. I was like there, there's, there's, no, there's no quit, now you know. And she did so she skipped her medical, she went to the hospital but she was standing at the end of the race and her and her husband both gave me a hug. So if that wasn't motivation, I don't know what was.
Speaker 2:And I remember being 18 miles to the end and a guy was taping my feet up and we were talking about feet and he was kind of making fun of the giant blisters because it's 18 miles, I'm doing it now. And he stops taping in the halfway and I was like what's up? And he looks at his clock and he goes if you don't leave right now, you ain't gonna know. I ran a between a 10 minute and an eight and a half minute mile all the way there. Damn, took off, took off, took off no water. I had a little bit. I didn't even fill up. I probably had a half of one of those two liters. So I had a liter of water. I poured some of that Jocko hydration in it, that Jocko fuel hydration and no food, and took off. And my last mile was 837. And I finished Moab.
Speaker 1:I finished at 96 hours, fuck yeah and I went through the finish line.
Speaker 2:I did five clapping push-ups, you know, yeah, and I finished, dude, and the mental side of it was I. I really like the mental. I'm gonna do'm going to do it again in 2026. I'm going to sign up again. The mental's over for me. I'm going in to win it. I'm going to try to win it. The mental. If I got through what I did, coming in prepared and not injured. It's not going to be easy, but you know I got it.
Speaker 2:I got it, yeah. So what was huge was it's not going to be easy, but you know, I got it, yeah, I got it yeah. So, um, what was huge was it was kind of funny and huge. I was one of the last people to hang out that night too. Like I was literally hanging out having a good time. I was by the fire, I was walking around talking with people. I drank like six beers. I ate two full size pizzas. People are like didn't you run it? I'm like I mean. So I know I have some mental resilience, I know I have a lot. Uh, and it was, it was hilarious.
Speaker 2:So my mother is a present got me an rv park to rest at um for like two days after the race so I could chill out, because I still had to drive home and go to go back to work. Well, she booked it on day two or day three and day four of the marathon of the moat. So when I got done I had nowhere to stay. So I got to sleep that night because I was already in the RV park. But so I got done at like it was probably nine and I think it all ended. At like it was probably nine and I think it all ended at like 11. That was the end of it, or later it was before midnight, I know that maybe 1130. So at 8am I had to pack up and leave. They had somebody fill my spot at the RV park. So here I am in the RV park the next morning trying to crank up the levels on the thing. Feet are bloody shaking because you know, that's when you, that's what you know, that's when the adrenaline's gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like you know. So this ex-military ex-cop that had been retired saw me next door, doesn't even say anything, walks over, takes the crank out of my hands, says go, sit down, I'll drop your rv, give me your keys. And he hooked my truck up and helped me in the truck. And I knew he was military and a cop because we got the talking and stuff. And uh, his wife made me a coffee and they, they knew I, they knew I had they were just on vacation with their family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they knew I just run moab this story is just filled with so many like beautiful moments of like understanding, common humanity. Not only what you showed, that other competitor, like those are things that we often forget, that it's not rooted just in the fucking military this is part of being a good human being.
Speaker 2:I'm not military exactly exactly.
Speaker 1:Yet in those moments when we talk about never leave a fallen comrade and never leave somebody behind, that that's if you're a good human being those principles still apply to you. What's that? You gotta walk 15 miles. We'll do it together. I'll be right there with you. Like that, I have a good go ahead. Yeah, it's just, it's beautiful to see that and that allows us to understand that, like dude, like you can find that brotherhood, you can find that connection in the outside world. You can find this out there. Yeah, it's a lot of our veterans, a lot of our our people leaving the military. They failed to see. I think it's part of that really stupid, disgruntled vet we're like. Only a veteran knows what it's like. It's like. No, go sign up for a race with Jason and feel that brotherhood, feel that community that's still right there. Exactly, you have to be willing to go outside of your lived experience and be willing to see that there are people out there that are willing to go do something hard with you to suck, and they'll be right there with you.
Speaker 2:Man like this is absolutely beautiful dude. Well, let's, let's go suck on march 15th together let's do it, man, uh yeah I'm in uh. But before we keep going uh, email me or text me the link. I'll sign up. I think that'd be a blast I'm on my own schedule.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna sign you up for our team, so don't even worry about the the entrance, okay, yeah put me oh, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Thank you, don't even worry about it, I got my running clothes here and you know I'm I'm good to go hell yeah I, I don't. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with my dogs, but let me, I'll figure that out, but we'll get it done.
Speaker 1:I think the vet that I have here would um, would take them in too yeah, I know a good, uh, a new, a good vet in fort walton beach that they have boarding. So, uh, I can send you a text yeah, maybe I'll do that, I just need a 24 hour basically yeah
Speaker 2:but, um, going back to that, never leaving a um comrade behind and a fallen behind. I have a good quick story for that. So, yeah, I ran in um in uh, colorado springs. I ran one of those 50 for the following which had um, I did one of those. He just randomly hit me up one day on Instagram we weren't even following each other and he's like his message, just said are you going to run 50 miles? And I'm like first I almost said, get your brand two 40. Where are you at? That was my first initiation. I was like, let me look at his profile, let me see why. Somebody just randomly. And then I I went to the. He had texted me from the 50 thing and then I started to read about. I was like he's not talking shit, he wants me to come run. Yeah, so I did, I signed up. Uh, pretty brutal. So I I flew in two hours in the hotel and I had to run it yeah yeah, so it was a good time.
Speaker 2:but we were going I don't remember how far and I met a ton of guys, heard most incredible stories. I you know, because you're running 50 miles together and you're not a veteran and you're with a bunch of veterans those guys open up.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially if you're grinding. You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, and it was kind of. It was a very surreal moment. So I ran into the bushes just to take a quick piss one time and I run out and there's a guy just standing there and I was like we're on the base there, we're on their property. The first thing I thought was, oh shit, I'm not allowed to do that. I was like, oh, and it was a ranger, and he's an active ranger, I don't remember his name. Probably should leave it off here anyways because of his job. But he goes, I go, what's up? And he goes, oh, we don't, we don't leave anybody back. I was like, oh, alright, yeah, because they going on, you don't stop, for just you know what I mean. So he's just standing there, he's looking up at the clouds, he's hanging out. He's like what's up man? He's like, oh, we don't leave anybody.
Speaker 2:And he takes off, starts jogging yeah oh okay, let's go, I you know, immediately followed right behind it, he goes they're just up ahead, let's go yeah that was the only words we had it's it okay, you know yeah, he's just standing there. He's like we don't, we don't leave anybody. I was like all right, and that's all I said.
Speaker 2:I was like let's go and we we ran to the front of the pack. We ran by everybody. They're like you can hear everybody going assholes oh, look at you. So then the rest of the time there was a couple rangers up there, I, we, you know, mostly it's a fast walk, run, you know, whatever you feel like doing, we kicked it off and then we sprinted the last mile. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:We're definitely not at your ultra marathon level yet, but that's part of our initiative for the next few years going forward, trying to do two really challenging, difficult events twice a year, trying to have that ability to like, understand and re. We're trying to bridge this gap that we have within our veteran community and and the understanding of what we need to be mentally resilient, like we're often told that we need to take a uh, soft, kiddie glove approach and the reality reality is is like look, you're not going to get through life applying kid gloves to every situation. You have to go do hard things. Hard things give you the ability to build resilience.
Speaker 1:I don't expect anybody to go out there and I'm certainly not expecting myself to run nonstop 40 fucking miles. It's been a minute, but I am going to challenge myself and I am challenging all of us to go do something hard twice a minute. But I am going to. But I am going to challenge myself and I am challenging all of us to go do something hard twice a year, something incredibly hard twice a year. It'll give you something to look back on and look forward to and that's what this initiative is. Unfortunately, my good friend Tim will be able to attend. He's contracting, but Kyle, myself and our newest team member will be out there, and now we're gonna be bring jason along. So after this one, we'll be looking forward to the next one. I don't know what the next challenge is gonna be, but I want I was just gonna ask them okay, I want it to be something in the mountains for the end of the year.
Speaker 1:That way we're, uh, constantly going from extreme.
Speaker 2:So you guys should level, you guys should look up one of those 50 for the fallen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to add a 50 for the fallen in the mix in between. But I need to get Chad to come bring one stateside. I think he's doing one in Colorado soon that we might be able to jump on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he does this Colorado one. I don't remember when I did it, but it wasn't cold out. It was probably summer, maybe maybe that transition, maybe august, it wasn't you know, it wasn't freezing cold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I want to drag my buddy to do the uh, the boulder, boulder as well, because I'm a colorado boy, ended up okay I grew up part of my my life in colorado and I want to go back because it's always like been bugging me. It's like you grew up. You always heard about the boulder, boulder, boulder, and you never did it when you were young. Well, I'm still young-ish. We need to knock that one out of the park, even if it's crawling and dragging myself across to finish. There you go.
Speaker 2:Another good one might be for you in the future, for you and your guys and gals. I haven't done a lot of research on it. I think they do a 50 and a 100 yeah but, uh, I'm really interested in the rim to rim. That's the. Uh, yeah, I, yeah, I keep seeing that they advertise that a lot and I think that would be incredible, just be badass just being down in there with sunrise and stuff oh my yeah, just yeah yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a 50 and a 100.
Speaker 2:So there's like one that's rim to rim and I think that's the 50. And then a rim to rim to rim is the 100, I believe. I don't know much about it, but I know rim to rim exists.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Jason, I'm excited to have you join us on this run. Be advised it will be a very you know casual pace, but our aim is to finish and to go as long as our keep the team together, sort of like what chad does.
Speaker 2:And uh, just be able to enjoy for sure being miserable.
Speaker 1:So, uh, dude, we're stoked to have you on this man. It's gonna be fucking badass. We didn't even get to jump into fishing, but uh, that just even more, um, just more incentive to do part two, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, that's why. That's why I'm here, so yeah, let's do one.
Speaker 1:Maybe we can try to do one in person. Let me see if I can work it out and if I can bring my stuff down.
Speaker 2:Oh, while you're up here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm only three hours away. I'm up in Alabama right now. Okay, maybe we do one right after the run and recap it, and then we can dive into your fishing extravaganza. Let's do it.
Speaker 2:Dude fishing extravaganza, so let's do it dude, thank you so much for being here. If people want to follow you, where can they go? Um, jason l coffer and on instagram. That's the main one. Uh, jason l coffer. And on youtube. I'm just getting that going because I'm getting back into the fishing and then, mr trigger sport fishing on instagram is what I have and I'm coming out with clothing and stuff. I got one right now.
Speaker 1:I love that it's called Not.
Speaker 2:Entitled yeah. I love that when I get them in. What I did was the people up at the Bo-Rack up in Oregon. They have a screen print place that they use Nice, so I use them to help a small business. And I grabbed one out for me and then I shipped the rest so they wouldn't be on the airplane. Grabbed one out for me and then I shipped the rest so they wouldn't be on the airplane.
Speaker 1:So when they come in, I'll for sure mail one to you. Heck yeah, and uh, dude, uh, let me get you a what's your t-shirt size, that way I can bring one down for you.
Speaker 2:Um, I'm probably a short sleeve. I'm probably a large, long sleeve. I'm probably an XL, cause I got long arms.
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