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Unlocking Healing: Dr. Christian Nelson on Chiropractic Care for Veterans
In this compelling episode of Security Halt!, host Deny Caballero sits down with Dr. Christian Nelson to uncover the transformative role of chiropractic care in improving the health and well-being of military personnel and veterans. From addressing operator syndrome and chronic pain to supporting recovery from trauma, concussions, and vestibular issues, Dr. Nelson reveals how chiropractic treatments can help veterans regain control over their physical and mental health.
The conversation dives into the challenges faced by those in high-stress environments, including the military, and how holistic health approaches such as chiropractic care, nutrition, and lifestyle changes are making a significant impact. Dr. Nelson also discusses his specialized protocol for managing histamine levels, helping veterans address common health concerns like fatigue, pain, and inflammation. With real-life success stories and actionable insights, this episode sheds light on the evolving reputation of chiropractic care within the medical community and its critical role in military health care transitions.
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00:00 The Importance of Chiropractic Care in Military Life
02:56 Understanding Operator Syndrome and Its Effects
06:05 The Role of Chiropractic in Recovery and Rehabilitation
09:03 The Connection Between Pain and Body Awareness
12:00 The Impact of Trauma on the Body and Mind
15:06 Chiropractic's Evolving Reputation and Effectiveness
17:57 Restoring Function: The Chiropractic Approach
20:53 Case Studies: Real-Life Transformations Through Chiropractic Care
27:31 Understanding Vestibular Issues in Veterans
29:04 The Impact of Concussions on Mental Health
35:03 Transitioning from Military to Civilian Health
40:20 The Role of Chiropractic Care in Recovery
44:01 Nutrition and Lifestyle Changes for Healing
50:51 Addressing Histamine Levels and Protocols for Veterans
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Security Odd Podcast. Let's go the only podcast that's purpose-built from the ground up to support you Not just you, but the wider audience, everybody. Authentic, impactful and insightful conversations that serve a purpose, to help you. And the quality has gone up. It's decent and it's hosted by me, Danny Caballero. Doc, how you doing today, man?
Speaker 2:I'm doing well, thank you. I'm really excited to be here.
Speaker 1:Dude, it's my pleasure, it's. You know, we're in the middle of our career. We don't focus on how we can stay in the fight longer when it comes to, like, all the different modalities. I know that, uh, I only looked at our four, three providers as, like you know, the last ditch effort I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do everything I can, google what I can and just patch this body up and then later on in your career, you figure out, like shit, like I have to go to these professionals and ask for their guidance and counsel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we then our you know, our scope opens up a little more, our aperture opens up a little bit more, but we're still very much focused on just like the muscles, like what can I do to improve the soreness? And we don't ever stop to think that maybe, you know, we could benefit from going to a chiropractor. On the outside, however, you get to learn that there's all these different modalities and chiropractic. Chiropractic is one of those things where it's like, dude, this, this can help us stay in the fight longer and then, on the outside, once we get out, it can help us continue being active. There's the many modalities out there that we don't get exposed to.
Speaker 2:And I'm just so happy to have you on today to talk about what you do, man. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Like you said, guys who are in it, they're just focused on the next hit, the next raid, the next J set, the next doc. Just give me something to get me through. Just get me back out there with the boys.
Speaker 2:And I think part of that has to do with the time horizon of the mission. Yeah, um, I I'd like to talk about this more later, I think it's. You know, let's not just jump right into that part of things just yet. But, um, when you're in the job, when you're in the whole deployment rotation and you're getting ready, and then you're going out, and then you're coming back and resetting and training and getting the new guys back in, um, everything has a very short time horizon. Yeah, and so if a lot of the outcomes that you're looking for have a short time horizon, because you're you're just looking out that far, not much further you're not worried about that much because, quite frankly, you might not come home from this deployment. So there's, there's an element of that where you're going into real harm's way and you may or may not come back, so some of some of those longterm effects don't really stay top of mind.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, absolutely, it's always we're looking for what can we do right now? And you know an NFL athlete has the time and you know the ability to take a knee rehab and follow every course of action as detailed in their care plan. Yes, for our guys it's often enough like what can I do right now to minimize that the pain, because that's what's keeping me, you know, my mind out of the fight, what's keeping me out of being 100 functional on the team they just take over the pain and then those injuries evolve over time.
Speaker 1:And a prime example I didn't know this, but when I started seeing a chiropractor they're one of the first that was actually the first individual that realized that my hip alignment was way off, completely off. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:We tend to be one of the professions that looks at the body um from head to toe more than many others. Yeah, there are some others that do, um, acupuncture and massage come to mind um, but a lot of times some of the other subspecialty of what you would consider more traditional medicine, uh, they're very complaint focused, very regional at best, if not just like directly. You have a shoulder problem. We're going to look at the shoulder, the whole shoulder. Nothing about the shoulder, yeah, like yeah, but there are other things that really affect the shoulder and so, um, you know clinicians who think like I do, and they tend to be more chiropractic acupuncture, massage, those sorts of um whole body approaches. Think of complaints in terms of networks, yeah, instead of cogs and parts and in a wheel, it's like you're not a machine, yeah, and treating a body like a machine, well, you have a front row seat to what that looks like it's uh, it's pretty terrible it doesn't.
Speaker 2:It doesn't work so well. No, no, actually, no, actually doesn't. Yeah, has some pretty negative outcomes, unfortunately For the short term. It works pretty good For the short term for trauma medicine. Yeah, yeah, it works pretty good.
Speaker 1:And how'd you find yourself working with our community?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I was really interested in joining the military for quite a while and then chiropractic found me and just changed the course of my life. I was really beat up as a teenager and then I got my first and second adjustment. I went from an eight out of 10 pain down to like a two in a single visit. Dramatic pain relief, played a lot of sports, was really active, grew up basically on a ranch and then, yeah, found chiropractic. I was like I want to do this. And then I found out that you could commission chiropractors, since Danny Bush was in office. But there are no billets.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I talked with some recruiters and they're like, hey, we could send you to osteopathic school. I was like that's not the same thing. They're like that's the best we got. I said, no, I want to be a chiropractor. So I was. I went to chiropractic school determined to still work with the military and help. Um, I wanted to. Since I was little you can ask my mom I've always wanted to be someplace where things mattered, where it was drastic, where I could make a big difference, you know. So you know it's like, yeah, I want to help.
Speaker 2:I want to help the guys at the tip of the spear. I want to be out there on the edge of what people know. I want to be helping the guys who are, like, badly hurt, because if chiropractic could have helped a healthy kid like me that drastically, I thought to myself imagine what this could do for someone who's genuinely sick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so true, man, it's our population. Think that we're such a small group of individuals that have the same uh, constantly occurring issues with whether it be uh shoulder, neck injuries, lower back injuries from bearing too much weight that it gives you the ability to see, you know the same, being able to implement your modality, your specific interventions and understand like, wow, okay, like if it's working for case or patient a, b, c and d, it's probably going to help the next guy that's coming from this community yes, but your guys's complaints don't present like everybody else's.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's very true. So you guys have neck and shoulder pains and you have all of these issues, but they don't respond to the same treatments or they don't respond to those same treatments the same way that a general population or a civilian population would. There's a lot of overlap with law enforcement. There's a lot of overlap with, you know, some of the ways that those guys think about and act. There's some significant differences. For instance, the toxicity you guys are exposed to compounds, all of the chronic inflammation, the arthritis you know, all the gut problems, sleep problems. We can get into all of that if you want.
Speaker 2:I want the guys listening to know that somebody one gives a damn to. I want them to know that I'm looking at what is, not what should be. Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing you could ever hope for from a doctor. I strive to do that. I know I miss it sometimes, but I missed the mark. But I want to confront what is instead of what I wish it was. Yeah, because then we're making decisions based off of fantasy and that does not go well. So we have to be real about what is, and the reality of it is that operator syndrome is real and you have multiple stacks of multiple complaints and if you don't understand the systems and how they interact together, you're going to miss something in the shoulder diagnosis.
Speaker 2:Say, somebody comes to me with shoulder pain, I'm immediately looking at their neck, I'm looking at their muscles. I'm actually looking at their gut. I'm looking at their liver or their stomach, depending on which side it is. The stomach refers to the left shoulder, the liver to the right. Hello, organs. And then, if you don't have stomach issues, I'm immediately looking. I'm sorry, if you have stomach issues, I'm immediately looking downstream, at what other things do you have going on? Do you have B12 deficiencies? Because you don't have the stomach acid to make the intrinsic factor to absorb the B12. And now you have neuropathy and brain fog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's funny that you.
Speaker 2:At 40 years old, Like what the hell.
Speaker 1:You brought up shoulder injuries. One of the things that I keyed in on specific injury amongst a good group of my friends is we all thought we had some sort of like muscular issue with our traps. That was one of the first thing that we you know, you look across like what's going on and it was just this impingement. We didn't know, a lot of us didn't know what it was, and a lot of us that now have this C5, c6 fusion, that was the first thing. It's always the pain referring down to your neck and you're like, oh, it's my lap, it's my trap, it's my lap, my trap.
Speaker 1:We're trying to get it diagnosed and taken care of through physical therapy, through working on the muscle, through working on stretches and trigger point and all these different things. And it's because I almost equate it to being a novice of your own body, being a complete novice disconnected with your own body. And it's funny you don't teach these things.
Speaker 2:They don't teach these things in school. They teach you how to put a condom on a banana, but they don't teach you about your own anatomy. And like they don't teach you the different types of pain. Like I cannot tell you the number of people who are, you know, our age or significantly older. I a number of people who are, you know, our age or significantly older. I asked them what type of pain they're like. I don't know You've been living inside your body for how long and you don't know that there are at least seven types of pain burning, stabbing, cold, numb, tingly, I mean like vibration.
Speaker 2:Like there's different types of sensation. You can't differentiate them. You haven't spent a lot of time with yourself. You haven't been taught how to relate to your body and compound that. Now you guys have to stuff down those feelings in your muscles. There's that funny meme like you know, what do we do with our feelings? We stuff them in our muscles, yeah, and if we feel more sad, what do we do? We get bigger muscles, right? Yeah, it's the um. It's actually. It's actually a disease called somatization. It's a psychological phenomenon. I say disease semi seriously, but you can store memories and traumas and stuff like that in your body, absolutely Body keeps Absolutely Vessel Vendor talks about it, great ideas in that book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I disagree with some of his conclusions, but yes, great book, great book. It's at least a very good starting point. It'll lead you to other things that are really helpful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll tell you. Anybody that's ever been involved in a car crash or significant impact from a bad PLF, from a bad jump.
Speaker 2:Oh jump, concussions, shock, bad landing. Um, even if you have to learn land on a reserve yeah, you've got a lot less canopy under a reserve. Yeah, a lot less.
Speaker 1:You're gonna be landing a lot faster yeah, and those repeated injuries that you're exposed to when it's. No wonder. When I read that, I understood that, yeah, your body does keep certain and if you have the repeated issue, the repeated incidents, you store that. And then so many people are walking around, having lived a life, whether you were a paratrooper or in SAW, and you're constantly asking yourself why, whenever you're stressed or you're angry or you're anxious, you're angry or are you, uh, anxious?
Speaker 1:you have the same tension, the same pain in your body. It's like well, hello dude, when's the last time you felt like this?
Speaker 2:yeah yeah no, interesting, you'd say that. Um, also one of the big things that triggers people that they don't know about or they don't know to look for are smells. But as soon as you say that, like people be like oh yeah, oh yeah, no, like you walk into maybe like an Indian food market, you get a whiff of those spices, it might take you back to someplace very far away and very vividly sometimes, just as an example, like there'll be certain smells about things. So that one, the sense of smell, is very tied into your memory. It's actually a top down control on all of the other four senses. Yeah, it's something I wrote about. Actually, I wrote a book on aromatherapy oh wow, that's aromatherapy, yeah.
Speaker 2:So if you want to know a little bit more about how your sense of smell affects everything else, give that a read. It's a quick 90 pages.
Speaker 1:I just wanted it to be concise yeah, it's one of the strongest things that connects us to our ability to recall things Like it's. So many of us deal with the loss of memory, the cognitive slip where you can't remember how to get home, you can't remember where you put your notebooks and your notes to work, but at the same time, that strong sense of you know you smell diesel and it immediately connects you back to that moment when you were deployed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2:Isn't it, isn't it? Yeah? So, yeah, basically, what it creates is a fast track for different things, and the more adrenaline you release at that moment, the stronger the memory becomes. So this is one of the reasons why they put people in high stress situations when they want you to really learn something. Yeah, that's why realistic training is so important, but that's a whole different tangent. We're not talking about that, but like the more realistic the training, the better people perform under pressure, because they've actually properly learned it.
Speaker 2:This is why you know, like the, you know Namby, pamby kind of like education of people in general is is, I think, a horrible idea. Like stress people. We're not, we're not just resilient, we're anti-fragile, we're designed for all sorts of stresses, things that could kill us and everything else like that, and we're designed to overcome those. Um to that. Looping back to that idea the body keeps the score. The body keeps the score. The body keeps the score until the next game. Yeah, that's what I would say. And so when you realize how you can put a period on that game, you can put a period on that sentence and then you can wipe the score, you can do away with memories that your body has kept, you can release those. Your body doesn't keep the feeling always. It'll keep the memory, but it's the feeling that we have to do away with. Otherwise we're living in a past moment and therapies like emdr are phenomenal at this. So that's outside of my scope of practice.
Speaker 2:That's something I've benefited from so tremendously. It's eye movement, desensitization and reorganization. For those who don't know EMDR phenomenal therapy and it basically helps integrate your right and left side of your brain, helps you to be able to keep the memory and ditch the feeling. I think that's the best description I've ever heard for it. So I've personally benefited from it tremendously and for somebody who's looking for some sort of therapy that works, I'd recommend giving it a shot. It can be a very intense and it can be a very unpleasant experience as you dig back into experiences that you have wanted to forget. Your body has put up a firewall to keep you from getting back into. So fair warning it's intense, but I'd say it's good. I'd say it's really good. The fruits of it are really good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. I second that it's one of the the best therapies I've done and benefited greatly from it. And when we look at um, you know, going back to you know your scope in in chiropractic practice the, the science and the healing wasn't always well understood, and it was always. It wasn't always well respected when I look, oh, that's for sure yeah, talking to some of the older generation guys and that are now getting the benefit as well, because it's not just about our current uh veterans, our current gmail veterans if we talk to uh, talking to some of our gold floor, some of our older uh veterans out there they're, they're getting this right now and they're seeing a lot of benefits.
Speaker 1:So it's not a thing of like, oh, you're too late, it's, you're too fragile these days. No, it's something that is benefiting a lot of people. And how do you combat that, those ideas that you know? I know that at first, when I went back to see a chiropractor regularly, even I still had some of those like man, I don't know, is this going to be the right thing? How?
Speaker 2:do you combat the old stigma With a track record of results, quite frankly, the best way to evaluate any kind of therapy as well. Does it work? Because the theory could sound completely woo, yeah, or it could make perfect sense, but if the rubber doesn't meet the road, don't go. If it doesn't get the results you're looking for, don't do it. But if it does, maybe give it a shot. And so the thing that has saved chiropractic from, you know, different slandering and misrepresentations from mainly the mainstream medical community. They don't like us very much. It's gotten a lot better. I'll say it's gotten tremendously better. 20, 30 years ago, almost to the date, we won a lawsuit for defamation where we were being corralled and labeled as quacks with the aim to absolutely destroy the chiropractic profession. We won that lawsuit and got some relief, but that was just 30 years ago and people have long memories and how they were taught as children makes a difference for how they see us now. That being said, things are now much better and I have a lot of colleagues um, even some MDs, some orthos, some neuros who I talked to. They're like yeah, so explain to me what the heck you do. And I explained it to them briefly and I'm like, oh, that's cool, all right, awesome, let me send you some, let me help them and I'll send them right back to you. And so just building that good relationship and being able to clearly explain what we do is is really helpful. And what that comes down to is, if I just, in in plain English, just describe what chiropractic does.
Speaker 2:The adjustment particularly helps joints move properly and gets rid of restrictions. What happens when you have you can have little ones that'll pop for you and me? Like we just, you know, turn our head, something goes, pop, okay, cool, um, and, by the way, nothing pops or cracks, nothing breaks, it's just joint fluid getting sucked across the joint real quick. It becomes gas briefly, and then liquid again. It's called cavitation, makes a pop noise. It's fun, uh, that's that it's like. It's like popping your knuckles. Same process your spine um, so super safe, yeah, um, yeah. So what we do is joints that don't move correctly. They inflame. Yeah, that irritates nerves. Irritated nerves cause pain but also tighten muscles. Tight muscles lock up joints. Locked up joints irritate nerves and round and around it goes. And so the adjustment, along with some of the other things I do, can really help to release that, get pain relief and mostly get the inflammation off of the nerve. That's what I care about the most, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's a big issue with the community right now is degenerative disc disease and the issues that that we have with, uh, nerve bundles getting smushed and, yes, so many individuals, whether it's in your lower lumbar, your neck yeah, um, guys are getting fusions and disc replacements and I know I'm in that camp. Uh, my biggest thing was I still have, I still go in and get manipulated. I still get you know, see my chiropractor here in the Prattville area and it's because I work out and it never fails. If I don't warm up, I don't do something right. I will aggravate that. But I know now. I know now that I can get a small adjustment and be back in fighting shape. It's not a muscle thing. But how do we educate the general public to understand that, hey, look, this can help you with these nerve bundles getting pinched, getting? How do we generate and how do we be able to tell people that, hey, you don't have to be scared of the noise, you don't have to be scared of the manipulation. This will help you.
Speaker 2:I'd say you can still be scared and it's worth it. Do it scared, yeah, people get surgery.
Speaker 2:They're not excited about the scalpel no, not at all They'll go under anesthesia and they're not excited about the needle, but they perceive that it's worth it and so I think it's less to focus on. Well, you know, don't worry about the pop, don't worry about the crunch Like we can tell them that till they're blue in the face. But it's much better to tell them, hey, this is why it's worth it. Chiropractic is not just good at relieving pain, it's good at restoring function. It's good at taking pressure and irritation off of nerves. Irritated nerves then communicate. Well, your nervous system is command and control for your entire body, and if you have a comms channel that goes down, with a whole unit attached to that, that's on that, on that freak, and that freak goes down, that unit is now doing its own thing. It can't talk with CNC. Yeah, so my job as a chiropractor is just to restore. Restore command and control. Then the unit can figure things out the way it's supposed to. I don't actually fix the body.
Speaker 1:I restore communication.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great way to put it. Yeah, and then that allows the body to operate as well as it possibly can. Now, if you're living a trailer park lifestyle and you're eating at QT all the time, you're eating gas station food and you're dipping all the time and you're drinking alcohol every time you get a chance, and you know, yeah, that lifestyle is going to wear on you and that's going to limit the amount of health you can express. But you can still benefit from chiropractic. On the flip side, if you're, you know, doing like nick bear or you know some of the other guys out there and just like like elite level athlete kind of stuff mark sisson comes to mind and you get adjusted, you can still benefit because the spine is like your breaker box. Yeah, if you want to think about it, you can go replace light bulbs all you want, but until you turn the power back on, it's going to be tricky to get all the lights in the house on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, can you take us through some of the case studies, some of the work in that which I shouldn't say case study, but some of the work you've been doing with some individuals? Yeah, I find it fascinating how easy it is to start addressing these issues and get somebody on the right track for recovery.
Speaker 2:Absolutely so. The beautiful thing is, the worse off someone is, oftentimes, the easier it is to see a difference is oftentimes the easier it is to see a difference. So for people who have a lot of pain we've had a lot of pain for a long time uh but who stay active, they usually get some really cool results really quickly, which fits that envelope that you guys find yourselves in. So, uh, yeah, there are, uh, particularly I think I sent you over like four little stories, um, and I've got more I can share. But uh, carrie McAllister mcallister, good friend of mine, retired out of third group um, just a stand-up dude uh, he invited me to come down to the triple g ranch down in goliad.
Speaker 2:His friend, david crossland, puts on a soft hunt every december, which is just super cool. They bring guys together for fellowship um and hunting and just kind of have them, you know, work together as a team, get back in that environment with the guys. So Kerry calls me. He's benefited from my care before through the Green Beret Foundation. I made a donation in kind for care and said just send me the guys, I'll take care of them. That was really cool. Kerry originally came to me July of last year, I think somewhere in there.
Speaker 2:And he could barely walk with a cane, and so, yeah, he was not very operational. When he got out, within three visits, he hung the cane up on my wall. Wow, they didn't need it so much anymore. Um, let's see, john arroyo was the first one the greenberry foundation sent to me and he had been shot in april of 14 on fort hood. Yeah, fort cavazos. I don't know which name we're using.
Speaker 2:I like to call it fort I like the old names personally, fort hood is good with me, fort bragg, keep the history, keep the history. Okay, that's a different tangent, but anyway, he was on Fort Hood, coming back, and another soldier lost his mind and went on a shooting spree and he was his first victim and he took a .45 through the voice box, through the throat. The bullet lodged in his brachial plexus, which is this bunch of nerves that comes down off of your neck. It's in charge of your hand, your arms, your shoulder, all of that. He barely made it. He survived, he went back um forgave. His attacker, went through a whole spiritual journey of being able to like, do that, and you know, it brought him a lot closer to God. But when he came to see me uh, I want to say this was also about that same timeframe All he could do was barely wiggle his thumb. He used his arm basically like a paper weight.
Speaker 2:He had to lift it with his other, his other arm um, now he's got a tricep, he's got that horseshoe back on the back of his arm. He can hold a microphone with his hand. He doesn't have perfect function back, but he can do most everything he wants to do with that hand. Now, um, he's giving speeches and so, yeah, if you want to check him out. John m arroyo cool dude, cool, cool dude man, we got pause.
Speaker 1:we got to pause on that. That is, yeah, you're giving somebody not only their life back, but that that's allowing them to continue on their mission. Yeah, that's just. That's unheard of In this world. We tend to think like, well, if I still have my arm, I'll be okay, right, right.
Speaker 2:But, man, if you can get it back, or at least most of it back I saw that thumb wiggle. I saw that thumb wiggle. I'm like we've, we're still connected. It's like you see that bold flicker. You're like, ah, we still have juice. If, if nothing had moved, it probably wouldn't have been nearly as good of an outcome. Yeah, but I, I also look at that. I was like this is the first case they sent me.
Speaker 2:I'm like oh, you guys are jokers. All right, okay, let's get to work like we got it. We got work to do, um, so it probably took about two months of really focused care and, um, if we can like, we'll. There's, there's a video. If you go back in my reels about and it's, it's back there, I'll see if I can repost it. So if somebody's watching this, you can find it closely on my page.
Speaker 1:We'll pause here. I'll have the video playing right here between us. That'd be great.
Speaker 2:I have a little sequence of him going well, this is how hard I could lift it and he's like whoa. It surprises him. He gets down on the table. I treat him, he gets up off the table. Immediate neurological change Wow, if the joints move correctly, the nerves are less inflamed, the muscles loosen up, function movement is restored, pain goes down and then your connection with your organs improves, which has a lot of really far-reaching implications that's just that.
Speaker 1:That's, that's miracle it was.
Speaker 2:It was absolutely. You know, and to god be the glory with that. Like I get to participate in miracles every single day. Yeah, see, I've got another one. Um, I got a, I got lance. He's out of 19th group. Um, he's come in to me with um vertigo, dizziness, reflux, back spasms, all of that stuff that he loves to golf. Yeah, and you can't golf very well when you're dizzy, bending forward to try and get the ball. Uh, when your back is spazzing all the time, nope, when you have some crazy reflux, not very good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the vestibular issues. That is something that guys, I've been talking to a lot of individuals. They don't even want to admit it or bring it up. They don't want to say I lose balance, I fall down, and it has a lot to do with that. I don't have sovereignty over my own body, I don't have control. I don't want to admit this.
Speaker 2:And feeling out of control is something you guys don't like very much at all.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. But that is a huge canary, that it's in the coal mine and would allow a physician, allow a provider such as yourself, to realize like oh shit, there's something big going on here. That's one thing we have to normalize within every veteran. If you've been suffering with this, this is a big thing and more and more people are, you know you'd be surprised what people are willing to be vulnerable about. When you get them in a peer-to-peer support group and they start talking. If you're losing balance, I get it, having this idea of like I'm only in my 30s, only my 40s. This is your chance to get help today. This is your chance to speak up. Talk with somebody, because that's a huge sign that there's something wrong up here you can we talk about that for a minute?
Speaker 2:yes, please, absolutely I think a lot of a lot, a lot of soft guys who've been through blast concussions, more whiplash events than we could even count. Let's be honest, everything from smacking your nods on a low doorframe to getting in and out of the Humvee tripping and falling, smacking your head, danger, close artillery strikes and all those concussive blasts. You know you can get concussed without hitting your head. Yes, danger, close artillery strikes, you know. And all those concussive blasts. You know you can get concussed without hitting your head. Yes, if your chest takes a sufficient hit, the air in your lungs goes up and smacks you on the roof of your mouth and concusses you. Yep, how about that? And then also, when you have a head rotation, your brainstem has a consistency of celery and your brain has a consistency of mozzarella cheese. And then you end up with this phenomenon where the brainstem goes whoop, yeah, or rather, this goes like this around the brainstem and you end up with neuronal sharing and then you end up being triggered. You end up with massive emotional swings. You're super happy to like, super depressed, super irritable, whatever you're feeling. It's extreme, yes, and that's because your midbrain, which is responsible for dopamine, a lot of your fight or flight system, um, all sorts of other things is just untethered and it doesn't have the control from the prefrontal cortex saying wait, I wouldn't do that shit if I was you. Yeah, it doesn't have those breaks, um, because the nerves between the prefrontal cortex, that rational, mature part of your brain, and your midbrain, which is just the pure aggression and fight part of your brain, they're not connected so well anymore, so you're not as mature anymore and then people get all anxious and they're like who am I? What's going on? And you see that not just with veterans, not just with soft dudes. You see that also with people who've been in very, very severe car accidents, yeah, where there heads have been whipped back and forth really badly. So that's where I first came across that, and then I saw it in pets. I'm like I know exactly this is neuronal sharing, this is midbrain neuronal sharing. I know exactly what this is and just helping somebody make sense of that is huge.
Speaker 2:But let's get back to the vestibular issue. Your balance comes from your ankles, your hips, your shoulders and then your brainstem right up here, and then, last of all, your vestibular system. It also comes from your eyes. So all of those things work together. If you can't feel your ankles, you can't balance. If you can't compensate with your hips, your ankles will try and compensate and then your body will wait for your hips to compensate and they won't and then you won't do the arm flail, which is the third one. If your ankles try and compensate, then your hips shift over, then your arms flail and if those fail then you fall over.
Speaker 2:But have you heard of Bell's palsy where, like your face, like yeah, just like right, okay, so that comes off. That nerve root is right here on your brainstem, right about your C1. And if the nerve going up and around the back of your head, over here, going towards your face, gets too cold or gets too irritated, then it looks like you've had a stroke. Yeah, well, guess what? The one? The nerve that comes off your brainstem, right there that goes to your vestibular system, your balance and internal like up down spinning sensation. Yeah, that nerve runs right along the base of your skull too. And if it gets too cold or irritated or it takes a hit, or you're sitting there with your head crimped up like irritated, or it takes a hit, or you're sitting there with your head crimped up like this, because your head's forward, because you're carrying knobs without counterweights, or you're stuck down in a little frickin' Humvee that's not designed to carry, you know headgear. Or you're just tall and you have all of those things, or your head whips forward because you have opening and you're doing like a halo jump or something I could go on. Yeah, that can get irritated and you can end up with vestibular issues that are not actually a problem with your inner ear, because it's the wiring between the organ, the inner ear, and your brainstem which is in charge of making heads or tails of the information coming in. So it's like there's a lot of static on the frequency where you're trying to talk with your balance system.
Speaker 2:Now, things that will make that worse are downers, muscle relaxers, cns depressants, muscle relaxers, especially the major one I'm thinking as far as Neurontin what's that one called? There's another name for that drug. I'm blanking, but basically anything that's a downer. This is why alcohol affects your vestibular system as much as it does. It also affects your cerebellum very much, so coordination goes down tremendously. That's why they make you walk a line when they try and determine if you're drunk. They're checking your coordination.
Speaker 2:But yeah, basically anything that's a downer will really affect those negatively. And so once people have those, they have a little bit of that running around in the background that they're able to compensate for. And then they take a medication for pain for their knee or pain for their shoulder and then all of a sudden they're dizzy. Well, where did the dizziness come from? The dizziness already existed, yeah, and this was just like the water came down, and now you saw the rocks that were there already, and when the water's high and your health is high, you can get on just fine. As soon as that water comes down, that becomes a big problem. So it doesn't have to be your inner ear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so awesome to think just how many times these these things are being diagnosed and like, wow, yeah. So if you're listening out there and you've experienced any of these issues, think of your entire career, think of your entire time in the military, think of everything you've dealt with no-transcript.
Speaker 2:Realize is that if you're in, if you're still in, the needs of the service and the needs of the mission and the guys on your right and your left take priority over your personal health, and as soon as you get out, that changes. I mentioned the time horizon at the beginning, the time horizon while you're in, and I'm not going to argue with this. This if you want to get a surgery or a shot or something else like that, just get me back in the fight. The fng is not ready to take my place. If he goes out tonight. People die. That's, that's real. Sometimes they're not ready to take your spot. I'm not going to argue with you. Do what you got to keep your brothers in arms safe. Okay, full stop once, get out. I need you to realize that that time horizon switches. Now you're back in that pro athlete spot where we talked about. Now you have the time. You can take a knee, you can follow the details of the plan, you can slow down your training. Nobody's going to die. You're out, okay. You still need purpose. You still need people who depend on you, but that time horizon is much longer. You're now looking for performance over time instead of performance for right now. So I think that is the most important switch to flip in the mind of the individual that's trying to heal is giving themselves now the permission and the time to go do the things they need to in order to heal. It's not just about the quick fix anymore, yeah, so I think that's number one. Number two would be chiropractic, because your nervous system has to drive this meat mech suit that you've been given to navigate through the world right now, and it runs on less than the voltage of a nine volt battery. It's just absolutely miraculous that you can even go through things. It's so cool. But you can even go through things. It's so cool.
Speaker 2:But you need command and control, the same way that you needed clear comms. When you're at whatever unit you're at and you're fulfilling those roles, you need to make sure you were tied into the other supporting elements. If your body is disconnected, if it doesn't have clear comms, it's you know. The stomach can't support the liver, the liver can't support the gut, the the stomach can't support the liver, the liver can't support the gut, the gut can't support the brain. You need all of those supporting elements to work together. It's a whole package that has to work together and so, the same way, if you tried to go do a hit without air cover, you're going to expect your health results not to work so well if your organs aren't coordinated. Same same stuff. We just got to translate here and chiropractic helps you get that clear communication between brain, organs and body.
Speaker 2:If you want to help find a good chiropractor for most veterans, I'd recommend starting at a sports chiropractor. What they do is most similar to treating the types of injuries that I've found Like the overlap there is the greatest. There's still going to be some things if they've never treated veterans or, you know, guys with operator syndrome before. That's where I think you're going to find your most overlap. Yeah, um, they're going to be to the point. I've found them, generally speaking, to be very practical and they're going to be willing to recommend some other things outside of just chiropractic things like traction, which I want to talk about in just a moment. There are some. Uh, if you don't mind, let's link some. Find a way to link some things for traction devices that people can get.
Speaker 1:It's super, super helpful, oh, absolutely that's one of the other, one of the things that my friend, immediately when I was talking to him about having you on, he's like talk about traction. I've known about it because it's one of the first things that you know. All the older senior paratroopers, like your platoon sergeants and some of the squad leaders, were going to the med shed to do.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I want to. I don't want to teach a really simple, really easy way to do that. It's about 85, 90 percent as effective as decompression and it's way cheaper. So let's say you do have a disc issue. Let's say you have a C5, c6 issue. Those nerve roots that come out of your neck right over here at C5, c6, they're in charge of a lot of your rhomboids, your delts, your rotator cuff, your pecs. To an extent, the whole shoulder girdle is basically run right off of there and your ability to hold good posture. If your head goes forward, it really strains that part of your neck. You want to get your head back over your shoulders again because if you don't, not only will that be affected, but also this area right over here at the top of your neck where your brainstem hangs out, your lower brainstem. That's going to have implications for your sense of taste, your face, your jaw tightness, sinus issues, your vagus nerve and everything that goes to as far as your gut, your organs function, your trap tightness, your balance. What haven't I mentioned? Your ability to swallow, reflux, your ability to sleep, your ability to calm down, because your reticular activating system is over there which is in charge of paying attention to all the noises around you and detecting threat versus non-threat. So if you have trouble calming down in a new location, your RAS is in overdrive. That's right up here. You get that looked at.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, traction. So, first thing you have time. Second thing get to a chiropractor. Get that clear communication going Sports chiropractor preferred. If you don't have anybody, some chiropractic is better than none. The other thing if it's not effective for you with chiropractic, don't be afraid to walk away. Give a little bit of time. If it's not effective for you, if the rubber doesn't meet the road, get out and you can tell them. I said so. They can give me an angry phone call and I will happily take that call, okay, um. Third thing on chiropractic if you're not sure where to go and you need someone you trust, give me a call. I will find out where you are. I will go look up other chiropractic options in the area and see if I can guide you to an office that's completely free of charge. That's the least I can do to at least help you find a good office. Okay, open offer. Um, traction, traction. Open offer Traction.
Speaker 2:Traction is one of the cheapest, easiest ways to help rehab discs and create space in the spine. If your discs are degenerated, if they are desiccated that's a fancy word for dried out so they'll show up darker than the other ones. If you've ever seen an MRI and they say show you bright disc, bright disc, bright disc, dark disc the dark one doesn't have a lot of water in it, so it doesn't show up on MRI as well, and so it's dehydrated. Part of the reasons why it's dehydrated is that muscle tightness that goes with the joint inflammation, that goes with all of that. It's just locked down.
Speaker 2:And so what you want to do is you want to provide some traction. So you lay back over this device We'll see if we can insert a picture here. That'd be cool, yeah, um, and you lay back over this device and you pump up a little air pillow that's either under your neck or under your low back or both, depending on where your injuries are and it just helps to gently pull your head away from your body, basically over the top of this gentle arch, and you're in control of it so you can decide how intense it is. Low intensity is best like. Find that out at your peril, one or two out of ten. I know this community tends to go hard in the paint. They love to go at it like more is better just you know anything?
Speaker 1:you get me no no, bad, bad, okay.
Speaker 2:One to two out of ten tops. Man, I'm telling you we're stretching ligaments, discs, joint capsules. If you piss them off, they will tell you about it for the next 24 to 48 hours and you will not like what they have to say. Ok, so be gentle. Be gentle, those are some of the innermost structures in your spine. It's very important to be gentle. And you do that for about 10 minutes at a one to ten intense, one to two intensity, very low, and then you ice for 10 minutes afterwards. If you want to make it more effective, put a heating pad on it for 10 minutes. Traction for 10 minutes, ice for 10 minutes. You don't have to do the heat, but boy, do you have to do the cold. If you don't calm that down after you do the traction, you're going to find out, you're going to feel it. I will not even have to say I told you so. So just fair warning make your decisions, but know that I'm going to laugh at you If you tell me I didn't do the cold afterwards and I hurt. Now we will go get an ice pack. Yeah, so there you go. Fair, fair, fair disclosure. Yeah, so there you go. Fair, fair, fair disclosure there.
Speaker 2:So, now that you have time, get a chiropractor traction. If traction doesn't work, decompression is the next best option. There's a computer that listens to the tension and the spasms that your body gets into and releases the tension. If you get into a spasm, so it decreases the intensity automatically for you, and so it's that extra five 10% more effective than traction, which is just by feel of the person who's doing it Right. So decompression is more effective, and so, if you've tried traction, the devices run somewhere between 120 and $350. So, as far as like getting care for your spine, it's super effective. You can do it every single day. You can do it it twice a day if you do it morning and evening. You want to get better, faster, super cheap, especially when you stretch it out across 60 120 treatments, tops right in two months to a day for 60 days would be a completely different person.
Speaker 2:Um, after that dude stretch, yeah, get the sugar out of your diet as much as you can. Um, sugar is sometimes harder to quit, though, than heroin. I'm serious about that. From an addiction perspective, sugar is harder, yeah, um, and you know when you're used to running on adrenaline and cortisol and the sugar pop gives you an adrenaline high. It's a feeling you're used to, you're used to having, and so you know it might be hard to quit. Get get rid of a lot of that. Fat and protein are your friends. Steak butter you can go full carnivore if you want up to you. There are other ways of doing it, uh, but that's a good way. Um, but less sugar, less fried food for sure I think we can all agree is a really, really good step forward.
Speaker 2:And I'd say, make sure you tie into some aspect of faith. Yeah, my body, yeah, absolutely, it's mind, body, spirit. What I tell people is like if you're doubting it, listen faith. Faith tells you how to interpret what the things that happen to you mean. If you don't know what it means, you won't know how to relate to it. And faith gives you that they say okay, here's a worldview where Christ is king and evil is in the world, and this is how you should live and this is what you should make of these things and this is how you should act. So this is what you should make of these things and this is how you should act. So, first off, it lessens the decision fatigue you have to face because you already have a way to do it. And then the other thing is it doesn't leave you alone in the darkness against the forces of evil, which you don't have to be particularly spiritually attuned to find, especially in 2024, heading into 2025. You don't have to be particularly aware of the spiritual world to know that there's evil afoot.
Speaker 1:You guys have probably seen it closer than many of us could imagine, probably don't want to talk about it, not going to press you for it, I think one of the most important things to do is, yeah, we, we advocate for every modality and I want everybody to get better, to walk into that office with the doctor, psychiatrist, counselor, peer, peer, support, advocate wherever you go.
Speaker 1:But the last thing, the last office that only you can do, the only place that you know I can't be there with you unless you are willing to drive up here and I'll, I'll take you to my church, but, uh, it's your journey, you, you, you have to come to that, that understanding that you need to connect with that part of your, your life.
Speaker 1:And it's more impactful when you do it, when you make that decision, when you come to that, that moment. And I will tell you, it was the greatest thing having that last pillar left to be worked on, and I work on it every single day and every Sunday I get to go, or Saturday, because I'm Catholic, and sometimes I do Catholic mass on Saturday. I think it's important for all of us to be willing to build that pillar up and I get it. I was on the other side of it for a long time. I didn't want to believe that I had that much power and had that much influence in my life, but where I'm at today. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the work that I put into building that other pillar, and I mean if you go ahead.
Speaker 2:Let's again for anybody who's still on the fence think about it this way. You don't want to be alone. You're used to, especially as up guys. You guys hunt in wolf packs, you hunt in ODAs 12 of you guys. You're going out, you're doing stuff.
Speaker 2:If you're by yourself in the spiritual world, that is, first off, a really uncomfortable feeling and, second off, it's a worldview that says there are no teams of good guys. You've dedicated your life to being one of the good guys. Well, there's a spiritual war raging right now. Yeah, and the call has never been stronger. The need has never. Well, not never, but hey, the need is great. Step up, man.
Speaker 2:There are a whole line of saints that go before you. You have that thin green line, the thin blue line. However you want to think about it, it's there and you're needed and someone else is looking at you and it's going to be inspired by you. The same way that you put a drop in a pool and it ripples outward, you put evil into the world, it ripples outward. You put good into the world, it ripples outward. At least don't spread the darkness, at least don't spread it. But if you want to take care of yourself, you want to be on a team of good guys. You want to take the fight to the next level. It's on the spiritual plane, and if you're disconnected from that, you're disconnected from the most important source of meaning and the way to be able to interpret what's happening in the world around you, to be able to have a guide for how to navigate your decisions. And you're not going to be aimless. You're going to actually have a clear point to navigate towards.
Speaker 2:Everybody knows what it's like to be lost at night in land nav. That's a terrible feeling, especially when there's a time pressure. Well, there is a time pressure. You're going to die one day If you're still lost in the middle of the night while you're hiking. It sucks, dude. I don't want that for you. I want you to at least have a direction and be on your way to a point. Yeah, that's that for you. I want you to at least have a direction and be on your way to a point. You're going to live better between now and then. It's land now for the soul. It's land now for the soul Without that point, without Christ and without heaven to aim at. Yeah, are you going to do it perfectly? No, are you going to run into other people who give you bad advice. Yeah, careful who you listen to. Hey, man, just cut down this easy road.
Speaker 1:And now you're roadkill Candidate. What's that over there?
Speaker 2:It's so true though.
Speaker 1:Don't find yourself there.
Speaker 2:Don't find yourself there, no, so yeah, that's what I would say to people and so, like, personally, I'm Eastern Orthodox Christian, so you know very much in that same vein, as you know Catholic Church there. Find yourself something that is deeply rooted, something that goes back to the beginning, something that celebrates beauty and manhood, like right manly men, like it's needed.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I'd say other than that read Operator Syndrome operator syndrome yes, so I've got on the shelf here behind me yes, dr chris's work is groundbreaking.
Speaker 2:If you want to understand the constellation of problems that you didn't even realize were connected, do it. Yeah, um and I. I also made a protocol specifically for some of the issues I've seen from my gyi veterans, and so I want to make that available to people, as well as a supplement stack to particularly help with inflammation, histamine levels, sleeplessness, irritability, um, brain fog all of those sorts of fun things yeah, before we close it out, let's dive into that.
Speaker 1:Um, let's dive into that protocol, man sure absolutely so.
Speaker 2:What makes this one different is that, um, as I was reading through, as I was treating the guys that I've had the honor of taking care of, you know, either down at the triple G ranch or, uh, you know, up here through the green brave foundation, what I found is that the histamine levels were one of the things that kept recurring, whether or not it's gunshot residue exposure, burn pit exposure, the freaking sand that gets into absolutely everything. I'm sure you guys can probably feel it in your teeth while I'm talking about it. There's all of these things, blast exposures. They keep coming back to a similar response from the immune system through a particular immune protein called IgE. And you find IgE especially with certain types of allergic responses. So it's big on the lungs, which are also affected by senses of grief. So those are tied to the grief and loss, the emotional world, the spiritual world there, and those affect the lungs pretty drastically. And so if you have high levels of IgE, then your mast cells activate. And mast cells are a very old, very nonspecific part of the immune system and they just secrete histamine all over the place. Histamine leads to sleeplessness, irritability, um, like a weird sort of like hyperness. You ever seen someone take um benadryl, they should be bouncing off the walls. That's because they had an inverse response to histamine. That's like a really extreme example of what high histamine levels will do on the short term. But now map that out over a long time. So histamine over a short term is like Benadryl, like somebody's had a weird response to Benadryl and now they don't, yeah. But it also leads to like some really sharp aches and pains. They just don't go away with massage or sometimes even adjustments. So one of the things I address in that protocol is with getting that histamine level down. One in that protocol is with getting that histamine level down.
Speaker 2:One of the last linchpins there for histamine is vets drink a lot, man yeah. And there is one enzyme to degrade both alcohol and histamine. It's called diaminoxidase. You can supplement it, so it's in the stack. But if you drink a lot of alcohol then the enzyme switches focus and takes care of the ethanol first and the histamine stacks up and stacks up and stacks up and inflames more and more and more and more stuff.
Speaker 2:And so what you need is, even if you don't cut back on your drinking which I totally recommend, by the way at least cut back on it. Don't drink when you're down. Don't drink alone. Coming from an alcoholic family, those are my rules for myself. They work pretty well. But yeah, supplement the DAO. That'll help you break down the histamine as well as the alcohol. If you want to get drunk, take the DAO afterwards, because otherwise it'll break down the alcohol and it'll be very expensive. Yeah, just from a practical perspective here if you want to get drunk, take the DAL afterwards. If you want to be safe that night and you want to have a little bit to drink, ok, I need to be careful what advice I'm giving here.
Speaker 2:Allegedly, allegedly allegedly OK, and the other one is quercetin. So quercetin is really interesting because it helps also drop down histamine levels, but it helps inhibit something called myostat. Myostat increases as you get old but it also increases with histamine levels and it keeps you from building muscle. That's a problem because if you're, once you cross about 35, you start losing about 1% of your muscle mass. If you're healthy, 3% per year.
Speaker 2:If you're unhealthy and your muscle mass determines how well you can survive major diseases, there's all sorts of fun stuff going through the veteran community, especially if you're unhealthy and your muscle mass determines how well you can survive major diseases. Um, there's all sorts of fun stuff going through the veteran community, especially, uh, based off of exposure, stresses, grief, all whole constellation of things you guys are dealing with, um, and certain things we can or cannot talk about. Um, don't know your comfort level on that one. Uh, that might be, that might be another conversation. But yes, um, yeah, so there's a whole bunch of detoxing things there and then things to help, uh, magnesium threonate, which particularly goes across the blood grade barrier to the brain and helps with relaxation, anxiety, sleep, focus, um, so that's all in there. I put it together specifically for guys who come back from the GWAT. It'll help other guys, especially non-vets. They were exposed to a lot of toxic stuff.
Speaker 1:Similarly, Nice and where can they go to get this protocol?
Speaker 2:So I actually have a link directly to the protocol, but then if you visit my full scripts dispensary, you can do that there. I don't know how we can link that best, but we'll figure that out. Yeah, it'll be on the description. There you go. Yeah, check it out in the description. Or if you go to my story highlights on my profile and check, click on either um, veterans, it's in there or in protocols, it's in there as well. You can just follow that link and I'll take you there and you can order it. It ships directly to your house.
Speaker 1:Nice. Yeah, dr Christian, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate what you're doing for not only the SOF community but for all the veterans you're helping.
Speaker 1:It's imperative that we start taking control of our health. I know it can be hard, I know it can be, you know, overwhelming. And, yeah, you're dealing with a sense of our health. I know it can be hard, I know it can be overwhelming, and, yeah, you're dealing with a sense of the unknown. Well, the pain and the issues are the known factor. What if I go get help and I open up a whole can of worms Like, well, yeah, that's one possibility. Or you go get help and you start realizing that these issues can be addressed really fast, realizing that these issues can be addressed really fast and oftentimes you can be free of pain within one or two visits. So please, if you're listening to this episode and you haven't gotten help, be willing to go get help today, whether it's going to the VA or checking out Dr Christian Nelson at his clinic or just hitting him up and asking him for advice on who to go and where to start.
Speaker 2:Happy to help.
Speaker 1:Thank you for being here and where's your website? One more time.
Speaker 2:You can visit keller-cairocom, or you can hit me up on YouTube or Instagram at Advocate Wellness TX. Like the state of Texas, perfect.
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Speaker 2:Perfect timing. Perfect timing.
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