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#231 Breathwork, Cold Exposure, and Resilience: Transforming Wellness with Brian Peters and Deny Caballero
In this transformative episode, Brian Peters and Deny Caballero explore the powerful intersection of health, performance, and personal growth. They dive into cutting-edge healing practices like ozone oil, the science of breathwork, and the resilience-building benefits of cold exposure. Discover how these methods help athletes navigate identity transitions and break stereotypes, embracing vulnerability and discomfort as tools for growth. This enlightening conversation also covers the importance of sunlight, quality sleep, and returning to natural rhythms for hormonal health and peak physical performance. Brian shares practical tips for improving well-being through mindful breathing and self-awareness. Tune in to hear insights from Brian's podcast, Chasing Edges, and uncover actionable strategies to optimize your health journey.
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Chapters
00:00 Exploring Ozone Oil and Healing Practices
02:55 Breaking Stereotypes: The Depth of Athletes
06:11 The Power of Vulnerability and Shared Experiences
08:57 Chasing Edges: The Journey into Breathwork
12:00 The Impact of Breath on Performance
14:54 Transitioning Identity: From Athlete to Coach
18:01 The Role of Cold Exposure in Resilience
20:58 Grit, Grace, and the Pursuit of Discomfort
29:26 Harnessing Natural Elements for Health
33:32 The Power of Cold Exposure
36:26 Breath Awareness and Techniques
41:36 The Importance of Sleep and Breathing
47:48 Returning to Natural Patterns
58:49 Chasing Edges: The Podcast and Community
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Speaker 2:So the ozone oil, yeah, the ozone oil is kind of like neosporin on steroids and I've just been using it on like skin and little like cuts and wounds and trying to figure out best practices, best recipes, so just something I'm messing around with this kind of he's like an ex nasa guy nice dude, brian peters.
Speaker 1:Dude you, you are fucking it's. It's. Everybody has this assumption, whether it's a football player or a soft professional, or you're just big fucking grunts. You're just fucking meat eaters. You're dumb as shit, whatever. And then you meet us and you realize some of the most well-read dudes are coming from the soft background, whether you're ranger, green bray or seal. And then on the other side, entrepreneurs, guys are diving into these freaking huge concepts to help heal, like yourself from the nfl, like dude, like we're not just dumb idiots, it's just like to bang our heads on rocks like we.
Speaker 2:We have something to contribute here yeah, if anything, dude, we're like we're a better mic or like a bridge to the information, because we can come back and speak the language absolutely man football players, like my delivery and particularly if, like, I'm unfiltered too because I like, I like the cuss, I like to like, like, press somebody, like your, the frameworks in your head or your philosophies, and like and just make some cracks so we can fill it with, like, the good information that that hopefully sticks to the story. That sticks. And like you know, the drill is like, if you can't relate to people like, or you can't understand what influences them, like, you're not going to influence them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And Sam, yeah, absolutely. Again, I think like it's kind of like getting coached by a parent to like no kid wants to hear it from their parent, or like the teacher or the nerd or whoever. So like let's be that, that voice, and that's what I try. I strive for that Obviously, like I know what you do and how you speak and I think it's, it's powerful, the information you share and the vulnerability and all this stuff mixed together to make hopefully like a cocktail guys can like tolerate.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, man. The one thing I realized I'm always wanting to do things that would have been a benefit to me when I was suffering. So the one thing I needed more than anything, I didn't need yeah, I needed the treatment for the TV, I need the treatment for all the things I was going for going through, but what I really needed was another brother to give me the information, to be able to say hey, man, you're not going through something abnormal, this is something that's going to happen to all of us. You just need help. And I think that's a powerful thing about having these conversations being able to say dude, I've been through what you're going through. I've been in that performance seat. I've been bashing my head trying to get better. Here's some resources, here's some things that you can really do to get better, to get back at your prime operating levels, to get back on the field, get back in that team room and be a functioning SEAL Green Beret, ranger, air Force Tech P, whatever it is.
Speaker 1:There's truth to the things you're saying. The thing that I want to pause and reflect on is I met you thanks to the Best Defense Foundation at the Stronghold Program, which your presentation on everything you bring to bear is just phenomenal. But you're right, it makes sense. Yeah, rep the set dog, yeah, I could probably get action Mine's dirty right now so I couldn't wear mine but yeah, you, you, you're able to speak To the individual in a way that makes sense and it's not like not everybody's going to sit down and read James Nestor's book and be like hell. Yeah, this makes sense. It made sense to me.
Speaker 1:But when I brought the book to, a lot of guys are like what the fuck are you talking about? Man, I want to read this shit. But the way everybody was captivated when you were talking is like this is what we need Somebody that can take the science, take the data and break it down. And what better way to break it in than how did you get involved in this? Man? Like NFL player, I would imagine that you're always looking for a cutting edge when it comes to performance, but when did it really start becoming like okay, like I like this shit. I want to make this my future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I found the breath world in a really weird way anyway. So, uh, right, and this is like 2015, that like the sensory deprivation chamber was like coming along and I was always like I always had this, like it eventually became the name of my podcast, chasing edges, but I didn't get the opportunity I want, initially out of college, like Northwestern, and so I went through arena, I got cut from the UFL, I got cut from the CFL, then eventually played for two years up there and then got my opportunity back through the NFL. So, but like the first couple of failures, like I don't know if it was like fear of like I just don't want to go to the real world, because I think I'm built for something different and something new and better and curious and like growth oriented. But I also knew I could play. I got a few like small tastes of like rookie mini camps in the NFL where it's like, no, I can play and I just trusted it and I kept learning and learning and learning and I had and my system started there because I started with dr eric serrano who kind of like like my he's poured my puerto rican dad, but he but, but he but he's like us because what I again, like you, already hit stuff before we even get into the finding of the breath stuff that I want to hit just really quick, just because it was just in my head, but because it's obviously easy to talk to guys after they retire. It's really hard to get to guys while they're in in the weeds or like they still think they're invincible and all those kind of things.
Speaker 2:And however you translate the message that everybody's always going through shit, it doesn't matter what the like, the armor and the mask looks like. But I like, I like quotes. You hear me like plug stuff in and you heard my presentation. But one of my favorite things is when you're trying to cut through to somebody. Is that because everybody just wants to hear, whether it's being a veteran or you're in the NFL locker room or still in the unit or whatever you're doing. That sounds like once somebody else says, yeah, I experienced that too, or yeah, I'm going through that too. Boom, let's go. Conversation in the sauna drop like everything goes where it needs to go, it goes deep, it gets off this surface, surface level crap. But I just try and like conceptualize and make logic points with quotes and it's my.
Speaker 2:One of my favorites is that pain is an adhesive and if, like, if you've been through it, you can connect with others, yeah and, but you can't like, like most people can like, like subjectively understand or like, oh, assume that you went through pain, but, like, once you get somebody actually identifying and talking about specific things, it's just like it's magic in that sense. But I don't think, um, people are vulnerable enough while they're still in the scenario, but like you're, because you'll talk about the pain of a workout or that, like the pain of potentially an injury down range or in football. But even when you're in that, like you don't talk. You'll talk about the pain of a workout or the like, the pain of potentially an injury down range or in football, but even when you're in that, like you don't talk past pain, past that. So, anyways, I just think it's cool Once you think, start talking about share your pain. Like pain's cool, like I, like scars and imperfections, like nobody wants perfect, perfect, fucking trash, anyways, anyways, I don't want to get too far.
Speaker 1:It's so true, man. It's so true, it's common humanity. Like one thing that I realized you look at individuals that are in a different profession than you and you think, oh, they have nothing in common with me. They do it. It happens within the military. Guys that look up to Green Berets or Rangers, like I have nothing in common with these guys. They're the best of the best Brother. We're humans too. The best of the best Brother. We're humans too. We did the same thing to NFL players Like, oh, there's nothing, I have nothing in common with these guys. Wait a second. I've had my brain rattled a few times down range. So has Brian.
Speaker 2:But it's like in that realm, like it's beating stereotypes across the board because it's like not just the dumb athlete even though I'd say I have like a small, I set low expectations. I say I have a small brain and I speak football. But in that, but in that same sense, like why do you pursue like different capabilities anyways? Like like I always just like instinctively want to be around interesting people, yeah, and so like what captivates interest? And a stupid another stupid quote. But like we don't go to the circus to like see a bear, we don't go to the circus to see a unicycle, we go to see a bear ride a unicycle and that's the, the soft guy, or the football player that also speaks philosophy, physiology, or maybe he can woodwork or maybe he can't. Like maybe he's a legitimate like fighter or who knows. But like I like people that are capable of a lot of things and like you don't have to be a master and everything, but like having capability and paradox, I think it just helps you bounce back through life, cause I think, at the end of the day, we all just if we can identify with our capability instead of like the titles that we held, like football and that kind of thing and understand, like, don't identify with anything that can change, like life gets a little bit like easier and more graceful to to transition, because you always have your capability. But if you don't invest time and capability and you just keep like, there's benefits to investing fully in the mastery of being a warrior, being a football player, for sure, but I don't think that is like reflected in peace outside of the, the sport or the profession. Definitely so, but but I can finish my my breath story now if you want. But yeah, it's fun, dude. It's like I was like and this is where curiosity is like a, like a principle and like everyone should be a principle in everybody's life. But it's a principle in my life because I was just chasing like in my head, chasing edges for all these advantages to like hopefully get to the nfl and then eventually stay and then be a starter captain, whatever I could be, yeah, and so I'd already gone through the workouts and the sups and I was just looking for recovery edges. So I started like the red light and all those things around that time.
Speaker 2:But this is when the sensory deprivation chamber came out and I was like, all right, I'll go try that, and just just so happens, jj watt built one into his bathroom and like we were going over there to like play some pool, basketball or something, and I was like, hey, can I hit your uh tub beforehand? I got in there, so it's being there for 90 minutes and I've never sat and like alone with my thoughts, never met, never meditated, um, uh, and then I because, like, if you don't know what the, the sensory deprivation chamber is, it's like densely, densely, whatever influence, water with salt. So you're floating, it's around body temp, no light, no sound. It's built to basically kind of let the nervous system and the mind unclench because it's like uh, cutting down on some tracking input, um, just to give you a thing. But it's like you're in a like dark floating box, like space kind of, but it's not cold and so, anyways, I thought I was rotating and I got out after like 35, 40 minutes and I was just like, oh, okay, like what happened?
Speaker 2:And then, and then the Texans actually started paying for the chamber and I and after that I read all the research on why it's good and just as like a caveat of like really avoidance of like talking to myself and avoidance of my own problems I all I had in the chamber was my watch and so I started holding my breath and just like got competitive with that because I was like I'm hyper competitive in that realm. But so I get out of there after my first uh chamber that the team was paying for and I google how do I hold my breath longer? And it was wim hof and free diving. And this is like now that, like you're getting into like january 2016, so like like I've been in this for uh eight years now. Like the breath world. I've been coaching full-time for about four or five.
Speaker 2:But uh, perfect storm. And like this is what eventually like just pushed me into coaching it, because I started coaching it while I started coaching some nhl guys and kids while I was still playing. Oh wow, but perfect storm, we got a new strength coach from the denver broncos had like won a super bowl with them and he was like dude he was. He's a great leader, very intense, calculated, like the most efficient I've ever seen. Somebody put like 90 guys through a weight room and 100 or like in an hour and 10 minutes. It was unbelievable what we got done. He's an awesome leader.
Speaker 2:But through fms and nordboard and all this sport science testing, he determined that our nfl football team was physically unfit to run due to asymmetry and weakness. Damn so we, we spent our first three weeks of otas not running and he got up there and gave this whole like state of the union, I don't, I don't give a fuck if you're jj wad or deandre hopkins or whatever, if you're running, your cut. I took me and the gmr on the same page of things. So. But people didn't really didn't run. And so this is about three, four months after I got into the breath stuff, and so initially I was like holding my breath for a minute, like minute and a half, and then I started doing CO2 tables from free diving and I was getting into Wim Hof stuff and I was like, by the time we came back to running, I was holding my breath for about four, four and a half minutes, that range and so.
Speaker 2:But this is where it just like black and white, I go, oh, there's something here. When we started running we had like a, like a, a light, like kind of speed days and sleds, and then he had this whole like you gotta be a dog at the scratch line, kind of fierceness, competitor. And so the next day he tried to bury us with conditioning. But what I noticed very fast and, granted, I was doing the wrong breath stuff, but I was loosely like respiratory strength training and CO2 tolerance training and, dude by rep, like five or six guys were starting to like die out and I was up running with all like the skinny butts, the DBs and the receivers and I was like 240, 245 at the time.
Speaker 2:And so and this is why I coach the breath as a language, as you saw, in that realm, because it is, it's what our body speaks and we see it and we know when there's blood in the water, when somebody starts panting like a dog and eyes drop and fatigue and all these emotions get shown in the body. So I go, oh shit, like there's something to this breath stuff and just me doing that google is not enough. And like. Also, at the same time, one of my base, one of my buddies that I went to high school with, like washed out of like minor league baseball and he was kind of depressed and he found wim hof to like, jump him out of his depression and like and so, and then this eventually led to us starting a company around it, but we ended up paying to have, uh, brian mckenzie, who's a legend in the breath world and like this I'm still playing, like all I want is like just give me PDs, like give me some breath stuff that's going to improve performance and really quick.
Speaker 2:Brian was an awesome mentor and he, like he were, like I just think, like great humans, like they learn the learner, and so, like we couldn't even start talking about all the intricacies of breath training, he gave us, gave me nuggets and breadcrumbs and protocols, but at the end of the day, he had to identify what else in my life stressed me out, not just football, girls, family, whatever, because the whole system's interconnected. And and then then PJ Nessler and the people at XPT, like Laird and Gabby, they started feeding me information. And then Dr Belisa Vranich and all these people, like out of the kindness of their heart like I'm not paying them at this time and things like that, besides BMAC. But in that realm I got this information and saw it reflect in my ability to execute under stress, like under pressure, because I used to, I used to be out there. So, like Northwestern background, caucasian, american, american in that sense, you know, like I, I like I was lost in this identity and these thought patterns, that I need to be the smartest guy out there at all times, and so, like, I thought I was trying to be luke keekly when really I'm actually just a dog chasing a car, like I'm really good at executing and reacting as long as I have like a minimal, like minimal or like, uh, minimal effective dose of preparation mentally, yeah, and but what was happening is because you know, I coach like the respiration rate and the heart rate as a wind chime, like when this, the wind chime gets crazy, you lose the ability to make some of those decisions under stress.
Speaker 2:So once I got my physiology under control and stopped being something I tried to be, something I wasn't, my execution went like, went like doubled like my efficiency like as far as like great outs and football, like, and, and then only to realize that the whole market for this thing, like the, the industry, didn't exist outside of like wim hof, trainers, yeah, and there's people that like, even like the patrick mccown who like, and all these people influenced, uh, james nestor's book in that realm and james nestor did a great job and breath of showing, like the before and after and the contrast of nasal versus mouth and then storytelling, some like the jaw structure and all this stuff really cool. But book jaws breaks that down really really clear. Uh, camera, that's a long doctor name. But besides the point um, and you get all this information, you start running tests and I was trying to do and then, dude, like I had p, like I was now, I wanted to add breath holds to movement and so I was running and walking and swimming underwater and like scaring the hell out of the pts and houston's locker room and at one point I had like fifteen thousand dollars bet on me that I couldn't go down back down in our like our swimming lane pool and in Houston I guess it was fun, but like I just kept wanting as much to improve my performance and I was still very generated towards the physical outcome of that side of the world. But eventually, like particularly as football, football kind of ended around like 2018, 2019 for me, but even though we're coaching at the time up in Minneapolis and I was coaching remote while I was still in Houston, but when my identity got shook and it basically like the tools I had left were like my football tools and like all this information from subs to training, but like I eventually found that like my niche was this connection point of like breath physiology.
Speaker 2:And then I always loved like the cold tub stuff. I did the wrong stuff for a long time there too, since, like 2012, I was doing 20 minutes up to my neck in the cold and and I didn't like I. That was from a doctor in Arizona, john Thoma, but I thought he had science behind it. Really, he just saw, like Wim Hof and some people do it, he goes, brian's tough enough to do that, he'll do it and. But but in my own sense, like everybody, everybody thought I was the crazy motherfucker in the locker room because this dude is just like Iceman. And then then you have the other guys like screaming when they get it up to their waist, you know so waist. So it was part of my own armor in that sense. But so eventually I was able to filter out.
Speaker 2:I'm a people-pleasing, big-heart human.
Speaker 2:I doing I don't like it, just like that depressive to the high and like get a new client and then lose a client and like I, I was experiencing like the ups and downs of football and business, but also like transitioning my identity and learning how like to like, really like strategies that I coach to like military athletes now because some people send me guys transitioning and it's like okay, what philosophies work and like I've been through that like all the sports psych and philosophy books and that I think like fuel and like pertain to what I do and what I don't do.
Speaker 2:But and so now I have like kind of like quick recipes and quotes and strategies to try and change behavior and change feel and like really like you heard it in my presentation a little bit but to give guys agency over how they feel so we can change how you feel and you can go make better decisions and have better behavior and not let feeling and lethargic physiology and stuff dictate your ability to take action. But that's kind of like, I guess, a decent summary of how I got into it. But it's a lot of rabbit holes in the world but there's so many simple principles, as you saw from the presentation, that it's just like nobody taught us this. They need to teach us the basics of the breath and then understand that like psychology can be unresolved physiology and vice versa, we can think ourself into very bad physiology guys don't understand and they don't see the connection between the two.
Speaker 1:You're going through an identity crisis, you're going through lack of purpose, you're removing your entire identity and struggling to find a new one, and they don't understand that you still have your breath, you can still connect to that, and seeing the guys at the program that have never done it before do that cold water immersion, go into the cold tub the first time and then have that experience of not freaking out and being coached to that, that is one of the most rewarding things to see.
Speaker 2:As somebody that's like oh shit, okay, he's getting it, he's figuring it out Dude, it's uh, like, that's like people, because some people get it twisted and think I'm oh, he's a sauna nice guy. And somebody asked me people's persona rex or cold tub reaction, like that's just like the icing on the cake of a workshop I do, and I found that that was my favorite recovery modality to wash out soreness and sleep better. So I started doing the three minutes in the cold tub, heavy sweat. Three minutes heavy sweat, dunk and go like, like, carry it out and it's like it's a long, it's like active recovery day, whatever, like just for feel and recovery. Awesome, I get to share it. Cool. But it ended up being the cold tub.
Speaker 2:Is this awesome place? I call it my stadium or my range or whatever you want to call it, but it's a stressor I can like as a like breath, physiology exposure coach, like, like I can I can stress you out by, like I can attack you verbally I guess that's the one I haven't brought up but like, really, like really, I can use cold water and suffocation and like those are fears in the human brain, in the body, and like who knows where the cold fear comes from. Like, obviously it's primal for like just body, like physiology survival. But it's also our parents told us from a young age hey, don't go outside without your hat and your gloves, like you'll get sick and die, and so we have no mental framework for resilience to cold. And then also now you start attaching like stressful events in cold and reframing those where like absolutely buds and seals and like most at some point in your selection process or your training you probably got your ass kicked by the cold and like had to have that personal battle and or like the crazy effects of like actual, like hypothermia. But besides the point um that why I like coaching the cold tub and using like the, the, the, the best defense foundation, retreat, the stronghold, like they're so open and want to have everybody help in the capacity they want to help, and for me to have potentially three to five days to have you execute cold in the morning and like get the repetition of the behavior and kind of track the feelings. And I also don't like to give people just like vanilla stuff in the cold, if you like this cool everybody different. But the goal initially is to take you from, because this is going to be a depiction of your transition anyways.
Speaker 2:But the cold tub majority of people I'll say 99% of people, because I'm still the same I don't like getting in the cold tub. They have some like sense or feeling or I can usually visually see it and like the breath or how they talk and things like that but like they have some hesitation and anxiety performance anxiety before they get in the cold tub. In essence, like before that, and you get into I'm getting into like the certainty, uncertainty, unknown part of the brain where it's like you don't know how you're gonna feel in there, if it's like your first time. And we all have that anxiety when we try anything new, any new career, any new hobby, and it's like okay, like if you're letting, if you're being a victim of your physiology there and you're letting your breath get short and this wind chime get a little crazy, like again we're just trying to protect, like the decision making and all these things in the brain. But I want I start coaching before you get in the cold.
Speaker 2:Like some, some of the, like the military guys, you guys are just like fuck it, let's go hopping in and stuff. You're still taking the coaching, but like it's also like that's another strategy. A lot of people don't have that fucking DNA to say, hey, like I'm scared of this, I don't want to do this, but I'm going to go now because I already know that like waiting doesn't do anything for me. That like waiting doesn't do anything for me, yeah, and sometimes we forget that as we transition from military and sport, that like like part of what got us where we got is because we're we're doers and goers, you know, but I'm getting there's so many nuances here I like to talk about.
Speaker 2:But but to go from that and also have guys struggle in there the first time, as long as like I don't care if you get to the three minute mark or not, but I want you to have a metric in there and understand the slower the breath, the safer the brain, and that that's the tool. And like obviously we do better strategies, like in nose, out mouth, like like like two to one, exhale to inhale ratio and and progress it. But and then you know, like my routine by the third round, like we'll intro, like just a little dunk and you're done after the second round. But I like to have guys try and hold their breath for 5, 10, 30 seconds on the last round, so that look at the amount of progress we made in 45 minutes where you were scared or and you fought like you're in a fistfight with the cold tub the first time and then you found some peace under the water on the third time, and then you feel like a bag of money and there's like all these awesome endorphins and like light touches of adrenaline stuff going on, where it's like, okay, where else can this translate in my life?
Speaker 2:But it's, but it's just that sense of accomplishment that we're chasing Um or the again. It's just like cracking cracks in your framework because, like a lot of us don't have confidence as we start the next thing. But it's like what, look what I did in 45 minutes, what can I do on 45 days, you know, and it's like, but it's addressing the anxiety on every step you're going to take in that 45 days. It's the same thing, like do what you're good at. Like like attack the problems, attack the weaknesses and and and it's not weaknesses, really. I'm just trying to equip guys with, with tools to have agency over self, and then now it's just on your brain, on what you want to do, kind of thing.
Speaker 1:It's so true, man. It's being able to give somebody a tool they can utilize on their own and then help them understand the framework. And it's not just about getting in a cold tub and then going to a hot sauna. It's deeper than that, but it's hard to explain to individuals. They're like, oh yeah, I could do that, maybe I could do that. It's like, no, not. If you can do that, why would this be beneficial to you? That's where you have to really stop and think about it.
Speaker 1:It's not just about getting in and watching Joe Rogan do the same thing on his show. It's a deeper meaning and it has a huge impact on your life when you're going through something tough, because when you do hard things and this is the thing that sucks about modern culture, especially in the United States it's all about comfort seeking. Absolutely everything that we're bombarded with media, from the moment we wake up till we go to sleep, is being comfort, whether it's your food or what you choose to do for your recreation, and this is something that it's. It can help you ease into being in discomfort. That's what we need more of these days.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean you're, you're firing right down my alley right now, but yeah, but I also like again, like education and like the right, like people telling you the right things at the right time always kind of help too, yeah, and and kind of like my overarching recipe, when you start talking like actual, like progress in life, it's like grit and grace in that realm. But some of that grace comes from education of what's going on in the body. Because, like, conceptually again like loose summary here but like, why do we enjoy comfort? Well, it used to be very rare that we got to that point like usually, like we're out there hunting, like fighting, doing whatever you have to do, is very rare that we had food, water, shelter, like good weather, all these things wrapped into one to where like okay, yeah, the body when it is comfortable, the like, the, some of the like, the, the stimulus says in our body, rest like, stay on the couch. All these things basically say like wait, like, save up your energy for the next, like fight, fuck, hunt, like whatever it ends up being you know like, but like I just think you give person the grace that, like you also have to know who you're fighting.
Speaker 2:You're fighting your physiology that's telling you, okay, comfort's good because your body wants certainty, like your brain and your body craves certainty and that's why, like part of the, the cold tub stuff and the sauna stuff when you use them by themselves, it's timing, this circadian rhythm and gender, and like I don't like I, it's hard for me, like you I mean, you saw me present but like it's hard for me to talk about any of these awesome discomfort things if, like you're not talking about some of the comfort that's already in our control, where it's like we can talk about all these breathing tactics to manage stress in the moment, but it's like if you're not breathing right at rest, you can't breathe right in your stress. So, like and I, I talk about sleep hygiene and like some of the easiest low-hanging fruit and sleep hygiene is like an anchor wake up time mouth tape, if you can like disclaimer on people with like central sleep apnea and things like that. But it's because the nose sends a parasympathetic tone to the brain, it makes you breathe slower, it amplifies sleep and oxygenation and all these things. So it's like those. But it's also learning how to take away light because that's the circadian rhythm that we're also playing on with the cold in the morning, so it becomes a lifestyle. But like when our bodies and our physiology have consistency, that's when you start to see like hormones, everything, like mood and things like that fall in sync. And that's where I think it's important to like address, like your system as a whole, and I don't want people to tackle too much, I'd like you to just start with the cold but also like respect your battery and like everybody needs, everybody needs to sleep. And like as a breath coach, there's like slow breathing tactics to help you fall asleep. Uh, there there's mouth tape, there's mouth pieces that hook the jaw to keep your jaw from falling back and snoring. Um, there's wraps, there's nasal strips, there's things like that to help aid that. But in the morning, and like I don't know how, like everybody's kind of on the daddy Huberman train, with the sunlight in the morning, like I've been doing it for a decade and I will swear by it.
Speaker 2:I like my female athletes. They fall out of like their, their, their cycles, like feet, like female cycles, and you get them back with consistent physiological input, like the sun in the morning like an anchor wake up time and the cold just like an amplifier here and everything falls in sync and like I have like overarching remedies for like hormonal health. It's like sun, sleep and no stress and like the no stress thing is not just like the, like, the like, the perceived social stress and the financial stress, but it's also like environmental, chemical, like all the stuff that's on our body and we're inhaling whatever. But besides, like if you can start to like take care of sun and sleep like there, and then we teach you some tools to manage stress and feel, and then we'll progress down all the rabbit holes. But I think that's really important.
Speaker 2:But the cold tub not to get away from the practical use of it, because I think people overcomplicicate it or they hype it up for the science and the podcast and whatever it is. How do you feel after you get out of the cold tub? Like that's what we're trying to get, like into the discomfort for after and like in that sense. But it's like I call cold tub nature's cup of coffee, nature's pre-workout, nature's caffeine. But how do you feel after you get out of the cold Awake, alert, focused, energized, alive, like great things. It's nature's caffeine, use it as such.
Speaker 2:So I use it like pre-workout at three o'clock, I use it in the mornings.
Speaker 2:I use it if I'm dragging ass, doing emails.
Speaker 2:I just go like and you don't have to go out there and do three minutes in my breathing stuff or like some breathing pattern, just use the cold for what it is and then we'll get better at controlling the breath in there and that kind of thing. But the circadian rhythm we're playing with is to get the epidermis cold because, like part of the body temp circadian rhythm, it gets its coldest around 2 am and starts to heat up Part of what wakes us up on top of the cortisol and there's a bunch of stuff going on with adenosine and stuff too. But besides the point, um, that temperature is what we're trying to ride and if you get cold really quick in the morning, the internal furnace jacks up and you start getting a little like better pushes of some of these like endorphins we're chasing like, like in the realm of like serotonin and so because naturally occurring melatonin is from serotonin. So if you get sunlight and you touch the cold for a little bit, like we're just chasing all these awesome benefits, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's something you pointed out. That's really important is we are bombarded, whether it's a podcast, whether it's a you know, a social media influencer you follow, it's a very well-known thing. And as far as getting into a cold tub, getting in and, but we don't stop to think of the benefits of it, we don't get enough of like hey, you see the facade of it guys jumping into a cold tub and then you very surface level understanding of it. It's like stop chasing all the data points, all the different shows, and just start doing it. Like cold shower People complain about it all the time, but if you've been down south, if you've deployed with a soft unit, you've dealt with cold showers and it's the same thing you were talking about.
Speaker 1:You wake up, you get your cold shower and you feel energized. You're ready for the day. We rotate back home and it's like all right, steaming hot, like just give it a chance, be willing to, and you don't have to go out there and buy the two thousand dollar cold tub. You don't have to start there. Start with a cold shower. Man, these little things of discomfort have a huge benefit for us.
Speaker 2:Like we can start with baby steps yeah, and like I always say, start pathetically small and like I do think the cold showers, like if you're kind of like north of the, makes it mason dixon, your will stay cold enough, like in the summertime a little bit too, but obviously it's cold in the winter. But in that same sense, like yeah, start with 30 seconds in there, start with three spins, or I use breaths as a metric, like go in the cold shower and breathe 10 times and then I just try and make the breath slower and the time longer. But I think cold showers harder than a cold tub all day, like still to this day, and so like I think people sleep on that correlation. Well, I don't have the fancy thing, well, you have the harder thing, and so, and then there's like the blue collar cold tubs where, like you just buy $100 trough from tractor supply and then like, if you already have a deep freezer, if not, go to Walmart and get a $200 deep freezer to five gallon buckets and film with water bottles and freeze those. Walmart and get a $200 deep freezer, two five gallon buckets and fill them with water bottles and freeze those, and so all in you have like a $300 cold tub. That like, once you leave the water bottles in for 15 minutes, it gets just as cold as the other ones usually and it's just like okay, there's like there's always scalable options there.
Speaker 2:But I just want people to use it and that's why, like, I like being at those retreats where it's like we get to use it for three days and get to improve tactics and not like I just like to see guys stop fighting it and like basically kind of breathe and exhale into it, um, so that it can be enjoyable, because the results are enjoyable. Yeah, and it's easier to grab a like energy drink and don't get me wrong, I love my caffeines and nicotines and stuff but like, but that we're chasing the same thing and there's no downfall. You know, yeah, you some people argue over like levels of like stress and anxiety and adding cortisol and all those kind of things, but I still I would never, I still wouldn't remove that like I think the breath eventually teaches the intersection away from those things. So I just kind of where I go against some of what what people sell, um, as far as like information, but because I I think like humans, like because it's almost like, because I look, I I operate a lot in the world of co2 tolerance is really important and what makes us like awesome usually high performers in military and sports is we have an awesome negative feedback tolerance like we can take criticism and kind of what we talked about earlier is the one.
Speaker 2:The one, one of the most fucking special things we had was explicit communication to solve problems. You can't walk into like a real estate company and say, fucking janine, do your fucking job and sell the fucking house. You know?
Speaker 2:no, you have to say hey, maybe get the contract in a little sooner.
Speaker 2:Like you did good, but like, like you cost us the hat, like that doesn't make, like that doesn't get results.
Speaker 2:And you guys obviously had so much more on the line between, like real life and death, execution, and in sports, like and, and even in the physiology, like responses, like our life and death is winning and losing.
Speaker 2:Because like, that's still like our, our money, our lifestyle, all that kind of thing too, um, but just it's scaled and so but like, and that's why, like, I like, I like there's a lot similarities between military and football, the stress, the transition, um, but the, the intensity that you guys experience and the longevity, um, that's why I think, like, when you start looking at some of these modalities to approach, I think you guys need it, like I think we all need it, but like, that's why I think like, when you start looking at some of these modalities to approach, I think you guys need it, like, I think we all need it, but like, that's why I like to get all these little nuggets out there, because, like, once you can transition out of these longer like chronic stress states you stayed in. They're so like, these simple modalities are so impactful and so Absolutely.
Speaker 1:One of the biggest things that I want to talk about and go back to is we forget and we're pick up breathing techniques that are extremely harmful, like the amount of times that I wasn't aware of it email breathing I didn't even know what the fuck that was and then once, once I became aware of it, I looked at everybody in the team room and guys were doing it. They're like and it's important to also point out like, like, look, sleep ap. There's very. There's two different types and you definitely don't want to try to mouth tape, but I didn't understand the benefits of sleep, of using mouth tape or or talking to a sleep coach, until I got you know at the towards the end of my career and understanding like, oh, everybody snores. Everybody on a fucking team snores. I didn't realize how harmful that was. Like, what are some things that we can do right now, today, to work on our our breathing as human beings, right now, in the military or just anybody on the street?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so initially I like to start everybody with awareness because, to your point, with the email like people call it email apnea or email holds it's really just a response to, like short stressors and it's just like, like we're we're kind of waiting for our brain to process and tell our physiology what to do a little bit. But, um, when do you default away from like like like I'll just give a fast track on the system just so that you kind of like know, like, cause I think a lot of people overcomplicate the breath world and or they don't know what all these buttons are doing. So, like, regardless of whatever breath coach you're listening to, um, hopefully they're educated on like this very, very clean split when you look at the research, but if you look at meditation, if you look at wim hof holotropic breathing, any of these downreg protocols at night, you'll see this pattern be day and night, um, and I'll kind of tell you the priority system too, once we get through all eight buttons. But like it's very simple, like it's so freaking simple, we, everybody, like it's not like some breath coach, like there's really great coaches, like the high end breath coaches, that, yeah, we'll optimize you for mechanical function and VO two max and like, where are your lactate thresholds and stuff? That's not even close to what I'm talking about Like.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about, like you at rest, how you should be breathing all day, every day, and if like, and then through these light stressors of life, and then, like, we can talk about higher heart rate stuff for like performance and downregulating on the helicopter or something like whatever you want down the road. But like, in simplest form, just look at your system at rest and these are the directions that your physiology is taking you in respiration. So on, like, so you have a nose, mouth, you have the inhale, exhale, you basically have like location of movement and like volume of the lung and you have pace, fast and slow. That's it. What other like you can there? You can say there's like sprinkles on the freaking cupcake with humming and hissing, and like different, like, like variants of sound, because you can break this down to like loud and quiet as well, because those influence your nervous system. Like how, like panting, versus like a very calm, quiet, almost unsensed, uh, breath your body again. That's why all this stuff simplifies to a wind chime, like, if the wind chimes calm, the brain's calm, the body's calm.
Speaker 2:But we don't realize that life hasn't built us to be great breathers. We like, we sit a lot. Maybe women, they've told us to suck it in for our whole lives, whatever it ends up being. But we also have a lot of unnatural stressors lights, like sounds, depending on where you you live. All this stuff can influence this nervous system and it will trigger and I, in essence, you either go up and basically like, like volume up on your physiology or volume down.
Speaker 2:Okay, at rest, breathing through your nose is down, regulatory, parasympathetic tone to the brainstem. Breathing through your mouth is upreg, and that's why I start everywhere. Like most of my athletes will sleep because, like, if we also like, let's let's be respectful of everybody's time in that realm. I don't want you thinking about every breath all day. Let's start with the breaths that you are unconscious of while you sleep. If we can get those more towards functional breathing, better oxygenation, potentially more nasal cavity space, all this stuff ends up being beneficial. So I start there. But it's just because of that input button, like up, volume, down volume, because the mouth dehydrates you 20, uh 30 faster, and all these things too, like there's more detriments to like the, the microbiome in the mouth and all these like bacteria and stuff too. But, um, anyways, that's why it's like first three questions in the breath world for me, like, because I, I attack rest breathing and sleep breathing.
Speaker 2:First, you wake up with a dry mouth. You wake up to piss a lot at night, like, as long as you're not drinking like a gallon of water before bed. And does your significant other, your buddies and roommates tell you that you snore and have sleep apnea? And so like, let's solve that problem first. And I you heard the example, but we just don't a lot of people, I just don't think, know how they truly feel. They might need a watch or a whoop or something to tell them how they feel. It's like if you plugged your phone in at night because we're all phone people now if you plugged in your phone at night and woke up and your phone was at 60% battery, even though you charge it all night, like you'd solve that fucking problem, I'd get a new phone or a new charger, you know. And so, okay, we don't do that with ourselves. And so we need to understand what our energy levels are, because if you have a full battery, that means more energy and effort towards the hobbies, loved ones, being a good parent coach, whatever business you're going into now, even if you're still active. I think it's super important and so that's why I solve sleep first, and I want to get you through the first night of mouth tape.
Speaker 2:I start with mouth tape. If guys are still finding a way to snore there, um, cause their jaws dropping, dropping back and, like some of these brands are, are stretchy tape Like like you get. I don't want to attack any brands, but they're kinesio based tapes. They're stretchy. Those are fine If you're using them properly, which means not not properly, by my definition, better in that realm. But, uh, cause you want that? We want this lock to be rigid, and when I started using some of the stretchy tapes, my jaw would still drop, cause I'm a person, even though I'm a breath coach, that has been doing this for a fucking like mouth taping for a decade. Um, if I don't tape, I snore and I sleep like dog shit. It's seen in on my recovery scores, um, but in that realm I still found with the stretchy tape my jaw would still drop and I would still snore and like my sleep just wasn't as good I like. And then even on some of the other stretchy tapes too. Um, I would still inhale through the mouth even though nothing was coming in. Then I'd breathe in through the nose and so like it.
Speaker 2:Just in my opinion, I want a rigid line, like, so, like just really quick coaching points. Like if you have this, the stretchy tape, I use three on micropore tape you don't have to pay a dollar a piece. You can just buy it on Amazon and have two years in one box for $20. But, like, beards are different, there's variables there. But like, I pull the lips in so you don't take the lips, but it also creates a tighter seal and you got to wash your face beforehand, so there's no oils in the tape stick. But I go directly across and I have two other pieces and this you can do this with the stretchy tape to pin on the bottom part first and leverage up. I want to just think you're trying to keep that jaw as close like the jaw is close to the top of the top jaw or your teeth as you can, and so like, like. That's a lot to just say.
Speaker 2:I was going to make this simple, but like, but get through the night. So that means like. But also this causes anxiety and some people and air hunger. So, and then this leads into other skills. But like, tape your mouth 30, 30 minutes before bed and like. You can do this when you have like, like a stuffy nose and things too. But a lot our brain only cares if we're alive or dead, doesn't really care how we compensate. And so in that realm, when you have a stuffy nose, your mouth breathe. So be aware of that. But now force yourself to breathe in through your nose for 10 minutes. I bet it clears up 50, 70 plus percent.
Speaker 2:And so, to take away some of this anxiety for sleep, tape early, get some space, because the nasal cavity like I can't remember nester talked about it in breath, but like it's like, if you don't use it, you lose it kind of space too. And so you need like. And this is where, like, if you can't get through the night with sleep because you have air hunger, you don't feel you can get enough air in. You have to start going on walks and doing light cardio, breathing in through your nose, and have that more intense air. Start to like, stimulate this sensitive membrane to create space and but like.
Speaker 2:All of my goals are to get you sleeping right first and but like, and that's just the nose, mouth and pick it and like I'll get back to my system, cause if not I'm going to go crazy on this. But like, but I just want people to get through the first night. So if you have to use Afrin, so if you have to use afrin, if you have to use the breathe right or the nasal opening strips or the bull rings, I just want you to get through the first night so you can feel the difference. Yeah, and then then it's like okay, after that it should become non-negotiable. Or you just become like ignorant to the, to the, the effects, and you don't want to do it. It's just laziness.
Speaker 1:At that point, I was going to ask you about those, if they were bullshit, if they're actually worked, all those new uh strips that are supposed to help your nasal breathing again.
Speaker 2:They make it easier, yes and like, because you can even just feel like. Obviously, if you actually push open the, the sinus, but like, try and push, like on your cheeks and separate, you'll feel that it's the same thing they're going for. And like. They have the magnet ones now and like and because there's a bunch of products out there, they, they help and like. I'm fine using those to like initially get into, but I initially want you to have that space anyways and like. Maybe you have deviate, like.
Speaker 2:This is where it gets into the nuances of the world, deviated septums, broken noses, things like that. But I would like again, I just want to get you through the night. But that doesn't mean wear it all day, because they always argue over more oxygen to the brain and there's a lot of benefits to nasal breathing Cleans there, humidifies there. Again, a massive part of your immune system starts there and if you're going to default and be a mouth breather, you're losing part of that defense on your system. It's anatomically a lower breath which gets to the biggest part of the lung, which is the bottom of the lung, where the best and the gravity split, the most oxygen exchange. You can trigger nitric oxide, which is why the boys take pre-workout and Jack 3D and I know explode. It's for the pumps. You want that light pump while you're walking around to get blood to the hands and the brain and those things too. So, yes, being able to breathe into the nose is beneficial, but, like, that nose thing at some point, like up to a certain point, can be a crutch, because I'd like you to have that space anyways. But if you have the deviated septums and things like that, wear it again. At the end of the day I hope you nasal breathe, like if you want to use that cool initially, like it is a remedy to try and get through the first couple nights or the first couple months, whatever it ends up being. But eventually, like you do not have to need that because you're have enough respiratory strength, you have enough like nasal space because, again, like it's not just your nose, like you're, like now you're talking like cheek to cheek and then nose to back of the throat is your sinus. So it's just like, okay, that's my nasal cavity. That's way bigger than I thought it was, and if this is inflamed because it hasn't been used, because everything in nature is if, like, like if you rust, you like, if you rest, you rust, if you're stagnant you rot, but if you don't use it, you lose it. And that's the same reason why I push every human, too, to like lift weights, because you're talking bone density and tendon ligament thickness, anyways.
Speaker 2:But back to breathing. Uh, but is that? You think that's enough for sleep for the boys? Oh yeah, absolutely yeah. So just like, try and get there, because one of the the, the all we're chasing is tone Like if you can tell your body rest, digest, recover, parasympathetic tones, the brainstem from the nose as opposed to fight flight and freeze from the mouth.
Speaker 2:It just really, it's just like breathing through your mouth while you sleep, on top of just the higher chance that the jaw is going to drop, an impediment to the airways for snoring and sleep apnea and stuff. But in general, like that is one of the quickest like remedies for a lot of my people who like wake up multiple times to piss, because like it can aid in this like process where you can't go through quick paralysis into sleep, but like sometimes your digestive system won't like shut down. So most, most of the people that have that problem, some people there's these weird windows that like two and four, that will always wake up to and like this won't always remedy that. So I just want to give disclaimers. But um, back to the like, the system. Just so you know what's going on all day in your breathing system while you're resting, like obviously I ripped off like 10 benefits to the nose, right there.
Speaker 2:Mouth is really just for like work capacity. It's really for like digestion and communication primarily, but like work capacity, dumping CO2 or having to get it in. But you have to earn that kind of respiration Because, like, the overarching concept is like respiration should match metabolic demand and so and that's where you start to like, as I get through this like language or this remote control of the system, you'll see why the Wim Hofs and the holotropic things can be dangerous or what they're trying to stimulate. And the system is jacking you up when you actually think they kind of push that. It's like a peaceful training modality, but anyways. So nose, mouth, nose is down-radiatory, mouth is up-radiatory.
Speaker 2:After that you have inhale, exhale, very simple. When you inhale, inhale, diaphragm flattens like the like. People don't know that diaphragm is asymmetrical, but mostly that's because you have the heart and then the liver, so it's like fits in that system well. But like when you inhale, when it pulls the lungs open, it also is pulling the heart open and like this is part of the influence that respiration matches or helps influence heart rate and like obviously this gets into low resting heart rate, hrv, things like that.
Speaker 2:And it's not like the only thing like operating the heart. Obviously it's a muscle that has like connection to the brain as well and it's part of the autonomic nurses, whatever I'm ranting. But in that sense, because like really what's happening is like the heart's getting big, like there's this little cascade of stuff happening inside the heart where it's getting more volume, in that sense, and it's so everything's moving slower, so the heart speeds up, and then this is like an oversimplification, but like then when you're on the exhales it's getting smaller, blood's moving faster, so it slows down, and that's really what's happening. But like to us military and, uh, small brain football players, in that sense I just say, inhale accelerates the heart rate, pulls the heart open, exhale slows the heart rate, um and so, and that's called, if you want to, like get into this it's respiratory sinus arrhythmia. It's a real thing. It's freaking science. I'm not a doctor, but like this is all very simple shit. Um yeah, you're not a doctor yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah not a doctor yet no, I, I just I learned I still have extended like education from the nfl. So daddy's gonna go back to school, nice dude, yeah, no, but like, uh, you guys inspired me, uh for some of that. Like how you guys are continuing to educate yourself so you can get back to the community. Like obviously I've done that from like a certification and guinea pig aspect of trial and error with myself and then obviously just getting my hands on any book and any human, that is like a master in this realm. But like if that's going to be a limiting factor on me getting around more humans, uh, teams, guys into it, get on base, um, because I like I always kind of butt heads there a little bit too. So, just like if, if the letters make me access more humans and help, let's go and but like, but that talk in the sauna, the talk we had in the sauna, that like the connection the boys were all having, like that was just like, like that was my light bulb. Hey, what the fuck am I doing?
Speaker 1:you know, like I'm trying and I'm doing, but like there's more levers that I can and I'm always gonna, but it's so true, man, it's one of the things where, like hey, your your pedigree, once you get out, maybe can get you in to talk to one person. But if I really want to have influence, if I really want to help, like hey, got my peer to peer certification, got my mindfulness coach certification, that's great. But you need the letters. You need the letters to make impact and make change. And I tell everybody you don't know what you're doing, be willing to explore that option. You have benefits. You earned that shit, big dog. You earned it all day.
Speaker 1:Be brave enough to look at the unknown, because we're all guys that are people of service. We are, I highly believe it Deep down, anybody that wants to be in the arena. You're a person of service. Look at what you can do. Maybe it's not becoming a doctor, maybe it's not being a doctor, maybe it's getting that master's degree so that you can have access and placement to bring somebody on board. Be willing to push for that education, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's daunting, it's a pain in the ass too. It's. It's not fun to wake up at 4am or go to sleep at two and do extra work, but it's worth it and you're worth it. You absolutely have to be able to utilize it, because otherwise people are just going to say, oh, you're just well read, brian, you're just well read Like nah, dog, I got the experience and I've got the know-how Like I've.
Speaker 1:I've learned so much from your presentations, on top of everything that I've done, versus some of the places I've gone to and sat down with some doctors, cause, at the end of the day, a doctor, he still has to continue learning and if he hasn't read the books that have been published in the last couple of years, cause he's resting on his laurels, resting on the data and information that got him that doctor. It's like, okay, you're, you're not keeping up to speed, man, information that got him that doctor. It's like, okay you're, you're not keeping up to speed, man, you're not up to date, you're useless to my, my generation of guys, because you're dealing with information from fucking pre-gwad, like what do you bring to the fight?
Speaker 2:and that's been like part of my journey is like getting, like getting through to humans facing imposter syndrome. Because like, dude, I've literally held workshops and I educate doctors and chiropractors and ENTs all the time and I just go you guys know like I'm a dumb football player, right, and you're learning from me. It's just like friendly chirps but like that's just weird that this niche of breath and physiology and like I can't talk about those things without talking about philosophy and what really stresses us and trying to get out of stress faster, and and why I'm in the cold and hot space and why I'm in the breast space and like why I'm in the sunlight and like my like it's returned. Like if we can return to natural patterns which our life and our hobbies and our passions and our service have taken us out of and we've sacrificed, if we can get back to this new, this natural, neutral, and we can have and we can start pushing like those behaviors and like repeating those behaviors, now it's like okay, now we can reintroduce our monster to the modern world. Absolutely, I think that's really important because it's like if you get your sleep under control, if you learn, if you like, if you learn the breathing, if you get out of the all this crazy stimulus and sunlight or like that, not like electricity and natural light and frequencies and stuff. But all I'm talking about is returning to nature, getting outside, more breathing, slower breathing, like in match of, like, uh, metabolic and respiratory match, um, working out and moving and connecting with a tribe, and like all this. And then like, get out of the heat in the ac like you're a bubble, you're in your little bubble wrap, like baby bullshit you need to explore, and like the sauna and ice is an awesome stretch to return something like that, that comfort zone, or like expand that comfort zone. And that's all I'm doing. Like, and we just do it unconsciously because all this, all these things were gifts from the millions of minds that collaborated to make all these things we live in. But it's like take control back. That's why I say I start with awareness and start with consciousness.
Speaker 2:Like, because I I argue like when you're changing, like if you don't like where you're at and anything or you don't have meaning, like you haven't attached meaning. It's like if you want a meaningful life, make everything meaningful. Well, why I hydrate in cold tub and get up and I work out? Well, I want to have the most energy and be the best dad. But I have to have meaning to why I do the cold tub and training and like I have to and like why am I? Why am I doing stupid? Like like zone two cardio and all this stuff? Well, hey, I want to walk my daughter down the aisle in 20 years.
Speaker 2:Like you, don't put these massive amounts of weight that really do happen in the micro decisions of the day. But, if you like, I just want people to like love what they do and love why they do it, because there's a reason. But when we do like if, when we go through the motions with no heart, like the executions lower, like the, the passion and the enthusiasm and the results are all lower, so it's just like okay. But like in the breath world, like I teach meaning and education, because every breath is, in essence, helping or hurting you. So like let's become aware of when breath is hurting me or stimulating me, because 95% of what I do is on this side.
Speaker 2:I spend time at rest breathing in through the nose. I extend the exhale like I get the breath a little bit lower and fuller and I slow the pace down, because paces ends up being the trump card. Yeah, and that's like a fast track through it because I can talk about location of movement shallow. A lot of the breath world is built on like respiratory rate, times, tidal volume, and that's how you get like your, your pace and your efficiency. But we can rate times, tidal volume and that's how you get like your, your pace and your efficiency, but we can't measure tidal volume very easily. So I just say full and I and I do mobility to get access to a bigger lung and stuff like that, but just consciously taking fuller breaths and lower breaths. Again, the biggest part of the lung being at the bottom.
Speaker 2:Breathing in through the nose is a smaller orifice and and so it'll take like, in essence, it'll slow the breath down and all these things are just chasing that wind chime analogy, because pace, pace is king, yep, and so like, even if I'm breathing in through my mouth at like 20 seconds in, 20 seconds out, like you know, it's like that's gonna calm me the fuck down, just but.
Speaker 2:But. But brian said mouth is sympathetic and you know I'm. There's a hierarchy, you know and I don't, because some people take one fact or one thing I say as gospel, like I was training Ohio State's baseball team and they call me nasal breathing Brian at the time, because I said that was good and the coolest thing is the majority of the team taped their mouth after I taught it and they kind of agreed upon it. And the next day six guys came back and said I had the craziest dreams I've ever had, or I slept so good, and then some guys didn't get through the night, and so it's just like seeing that in real time. Those are my feedback points on feedback points like on the deal, but I think that is just more and more examples of where I can't remember where I was going before I got on the Ohio State Tangent.
Speaker 1:That's all right. You're experiencing what I like to call a sponsorship moment.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh man, dude. Brian, I can't thank you enough for coming in. Um, if guys want to learn more about your, your company and your podcast, like how, where you're at, what is the name of your podcast?
Speaker 2:so the podcast called chasing edges. It's been on the shelf for a year but it's coming back. I got six episodes loaded. We were talking about that a little bit. Yeah, um, I talked to like doctors, athletes, high performers, any like anybody that I want selfishly, I want to learn from. Oh, yeah, it's there, but again it's about it's about helping humans and keeping people curious and my, my articulation and my, my own self talk to that is you got to keep chasing edges and so like that's how it got kind of birthed and put. But like there's some like fun things on there.
Speaker 2:Like Dr Serrano, I'll do a q a and try and like personalize it to people where, like that's where I like to help and I don't know if you do anything in that format, but uh, taking questions from your humans and then having doctors answer like good doctors answer, that's been, that's probably been the most fulfilling and beneficial thing for me, but that all that's coming back and not to keep like hyping, like I, I, just I'm, I enjoy doing selfishly and selflessly. So, um, and then, uh, breathing for performance is my company, breathing for performancecom. You can reach out there. Um, I, I'll try and help as many humans as I can, um, if you got referred from the podcast, just just chirp me and I'll try and make as much as I can happen for free, um, and we'll go from there. But uh, again, dude, I appreciate you having me on. I I didn't even finish some of my systems because I I'm a ranter, but um all good, we'll do a part two like I'm on the road for 10 days, but then I did I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm around all the time and I'd love to hop on. I thoroughly enjoy talking to you hell, Hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Brian's a pleasure and to all y'all listening, please just go ahead and pause. Go to the episode description, All that play. All the places Brian mentioned where you can find him and get ahold of him are right there. Or just look right here and you'll see his link for Instagram. You'll find his website. Thank you all for tuning in Brian take care Easy. If you like what we're doing and you enjoying the show, don't forget to share us. Like us, subscribe.
