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Episode 196: From Battlefield to Gym: The Resilient Journey of Green Beret Joey Paladino
What drives someone to leave behind a turbulent past and rise to become a Green Beret? This episode features Joey Paladino, whose journey from the National Guard to elite military status is nothing short of inspiring. Joey's story is a powerful testament to resilience as he recounts his intense experiences from the Q course graduation to the battlefields of Afghanistan. We explore how his adaptability and determination under fire laid the foundation for his remarkable military career, underscoring the importance of mentorship and the unique camaraderie among soldiers.
But Joey's journey doesn't end on the battlefield. Transitioning from military life to civilian endeavors, he finds a new calling as a gym owner and weightlifting coach. Joey shares the parallels between military team-building and coaching high school athletes, drawing from his experience to foster strong, cohesive teams in the gym. His passion for teaching and his dedication to community growth shine through as he reflects on how the leadership skills honed in the Special Forces apply seamlessly to his new role.
In a gripping retelling, Joey takes us through a harrowing escape from Argentina, where his resourcefulness and quick thinking during a high-pressure situation are evident. Despite the bureaucratic aftermath and a near-miss with a foreign prison, the ordeal ended with a memorable story that Joey now shares with us. This episode is a vivid journey through the highs and lows of a Green Beret's life, from battlefield valor to the challenges and rewards of civilian life, making it an episode you won't want to miss.
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Speaker 2:Let's go with an expert in guerrilla warfare, with a man who's the best with guns, with knives, with his bare hands, a man who's been trained to ignore ignore weather to live off. The land job was disposed of enemy personnel to kill period with nutrition and do it live, brother, do it live that's right, we do it it's been a minute, man.
Speaker 1:I'm so glad to see you, man.
Speaker 2:It's been forever yeah, I'm glad to see you. I'm glad you finally, you know, wised up and got me on your podcast, because I'm like I'm an instant hit, bro. You put me on here. It's like sold out crowds.
Speaker 1:You always have been man. You always have been Joey Palladino. Welcome to the Security Out podcast.
Speaker 2:Thank, you for having me. I'm very blessed.
Speaker 1:Thank you, man. Dude, I love having you on because it's about time you take a bow. For all the things you've done, and I know for a lot of us and the time period where we served, you were not only an influential leader, but you were somebody that always stayed true to who they were from the very get-go. I mean, I met you as a brand new wet behind the ears, young Green Beret, and you were always the same dude and, whether you know you, you can, you can say a lot of things about joey, but you can never say that. He never took the time to impart some wisdom and, like you, were always there for people when they needed you, and that's something I always appreciated.
Speaker 1:Looking back, and I mean, you, you've always maintained that throughout your entire career, dude. So it's great to be here to finally so I can tell you in front of a live or not live audience but, uh, we'll be shortly released a podcast, but to everybody listening, this man is not only a great human being, but a great green beret, and I am excited to dive into what he's doing now. Uh, because, man, like we have so many stories, dude, it's great to have you on man, so tell us man, uh, how, how was life after retirement?
Speaker 2:um, so life after retirement, so retirement's been great. Uh, you know I retired last may. Um, we are here in my house, uh, with my family. Uh, it's been. It's been about, you know, sharing with my family a lot. And and then it's been also about, you know, growing my businesses. I don't know if you know this, but now I own two gyms, not just one. Yeah, so, uh, we have two gyms. Uh, tomorrow we leave for Pittsburgh. Uh, I have 25 athletes competing at a national weightlifting event for USAW, which is the thing there.
Speaker 2:And, uh, you know, I get to still interact with people. They call me all the time. The guys talk to me all the time. We still have a big group chat and you know they'll call me when they need advice or you know help, or or just to talk to me. Like, I think Jordan called me the other day and Jordan was my former team leader. He's getting ready to take company command. No way, yeah, he's going in the 3rd Battalion. So you know he's there and you know they're all doing good things. I know a lot of the guys that were on the team before. They're all going to be team sergeants now. Yeah, dude. So I'm like, okay, wow, time does not slow down. No, it does not.
Speaker 2:Retired life has been amazing. There was a tough transition. Whenever I came off the teams, I did do some time at Robin Sage there and that was amazing. By the way, I did some craziness there they'd never seen done. Of course, a lot of dudes that came through the lane. I've seen them when I visit 7th, go to memorials and things like I just go down there for change of commands. I think went down to blake's change of command. He's actually leaving third battalion as the battalion commander and going to jrfc, which I'm assuming he will come back and be the group commander for some of them. That man is an amazing person and uh. So you know, that's kind of how my life's been. I've just been kind of going with the flow. I say the truth retired life is way more busy than I was on the team absolutely.
Speaker 1:I have not slept in the last three days, as a fact. Oh man, you gotta get some sleep post-production is a real, real nightmare when you're juggling multiple shows. But before we kick, before we go deep into retirement life, let's take it back, man. How did joey uh become a green beret?
Speaker 2:tell me that origin story oh man, hold on, this is a great story. It's a great story. So, um, I didn't know when I joined the military. I didn't know what green berets when I was, I didn't know what rangers. I didn't know what Green Berets, I didn't know what Rangers were. I didn't know what Sappers were. I didn't know what any of that stuff was. So when I joined, I joined the National Guard. I did some National Guard time there. I did like three years of National Guard time and then when I decided to join the military, it was before 9-11 even happened.
Speaker 2:So I was already a part of the military and I wasn't doing good at home and I was looking at all my friends. They were not doing the greatest, they're dabbling in drugs and stuff and I got to get out of here, I got to get away from this place. So I went into the National Guard station. I was like, hey, I'm going to go active duty, I'm just going to leave, I want to go anywhere. And I went to the recruiter and he was like, well, you got to reclass. I think I was like I had three jobs at that time. I was an NBC guy and then I was yeah, we all know about those dudes and I was a heavy equipment operator and I'm like, no, I want to be a combat engineer, that's what I want to do. You know, that's cool, that's cool, or whatever, I'm going to go do that. And I joined and I'd flip into a book and it was a. It was an old school ad and it was like dude with three tabs and nice BDUs and I was like dude Ranger rolled hat. It was like become a special forces soldier and I was like, okay, man, I think I could do that or I think I want to do that. I just had a picture in an album and I was like I just want to look at it. It's like my motivation to get through this.
Speaker 2:I ended up going to airborne school after reclassing as an engineer, went to the 82nd and I was like, wow, this is the cram to the cram. I'm at the 82nd, airborne, like we're doing it right. And I ended up doing a plethora of schools there in the 82nd and uh, you know, I made it all the way up to almost six deployments and I was, I was getting ready to be promoted, starting first class and take a platoon. I was already kind of like, you know, filling that role and uh, yeah, man, I seen some sf.
Speaker 2:We were in tallifire rack and we had been clearing for days and we came into the child hall to like take a break and just get rest and refit. And there was a team that was walking in and a sergeant major was. They were like in front of me. The team was in front of me I think it might have been a third group team but the sergeant major uh stopped them outside the child hall and they're like where are your weapons at? And I'm like you know, I'm maybe second, like behind them. I'm like, yeah, my weapon right here.
Speaker 2:But I'm looking at these dudes like what are they going to do? And they wouldn't let the team sergeant in the chow hall without a weapon. So like they're giving them a real hard time, like they're going back and forth. They're like, dude, I just came in, we've been on like a you know a recce the whole time. Like out here, like just give me a break.
Speaker 2:So I'm sitting in a chow hall and I hear this whole thing go down. And next thing I do I see this team sergeant carrying the 50 cow from the truck like through the chow hall and he's got like a 50 cow on one shoulder and he's got his plate in the other and he like sits down beside his team, he like throws the 50 cow down on the ground and he's like you can tell, he's like disgruntled and and like pissed off. And I looked at him and I and I and I said I want to do that, I want to do that right there, what he's done. So, needless to be said, I went to see the SF recruiter and I was like yo dude. I don't know what that dude was, but I'm going to try to be it. I didn't know what a green beret was. I didn't know any of that was. I was like I found out. You know, it wasn't all about door kicking, of course. He explained to me, like you're a teacher and all that stuff, and I was like you know what? I think that's what I want to do. So, yeah, lo and behold, man went to selection, got selected. Like it was like in May of May of 05 or 06. I can't remember the exact dates, but got selected.
Speaker 2:Well, I was deployed. I came from a deployment to selection. I was training for selection and we were doing the torch mission back then. So that was like supporting CAG is the 82nd with these black flags on. We thought we were cool guys. But uh, yeah, that was like my sixth appointment already and uh, it was a 13 month appointment. So back then we did long ones and I'd ended up losing some guys too on that deployment.
Speaker 2:It was a real rough deployment and I felt really bad leaving the team. But you know, they supported me, my squad supported me, because they're like hey, you're going on to bigger and better things and we support you for that. And I always the same way. I was in sf man, I was in the regular army too. I always bucked the system, always stood up for the guys, always the buck stops here. I was always that dude like somebody throws a cablar at when we do the convoy stop, because I'm like why are we doing this? This is stupid, uh. But you know, that got me through my military career. It was a voice of reason, even though it looked insubordinate at the time. I tried not to be insubordinate, but sometimes people get caught up in their own stupidity, but but it's so true.
Speaker 1:that that's something I really appreciated. Um, I mean, looking back and working with, uh, you know, with micah and yourself, seeing that ability to walk that fine line of saying this is fucking stupid, this is what we should do and add and not having that. There's a lot of guys that have a lot of reservation about telling the truth and they just become, yes, men, but when you see a team sergeant that's in his element, that understands what his job really is, which is, hey, the buck stops here, and if this is fucking stupid, this is fucking stupid, and that's truly something that I love about our regiment leaders, especially our, our enlisted leaders, are able to do that sometimes.
Speaker 2:Sometimes, trust me, man, I had a lot of my fair share of like pulled aside. Like yo, dude, you gotta, you gotta chill out and I'm like, yeah, man, I'm chilling, but like bro, seriously Like.
Speaker 1:I don't know man.
Speaker 2:But the good thing about it was it, you know, through all that I knew where I was supposed to be and you know, and when I got to SF, I knew exactly how that feeling felt and I was like I'm right where I need to be. And you know, god has a plan for me always and he's always took care of me. So I knew that. You know, whenever I showed up, I mean like like I graduated the Q course and immediately went down range to Afghanistan, and during that time it was like a hotbed for 1st Battalion. You know, we just lost some dudes in that vehicle rollover, you know, from ACO. And then I show up, and the day I show up, you know, like, like the captain, I graduated the Q course with Captain Cliff, of course, you know he was KIA, along with two other SF guys, and that was like the very first thing I showed up to. So it was like all right, so game on, this is not the 82nd anymore. I don't have a brigade level element behind me.
Speaker 2:I'm now like a 12 man ODA and we got to go and I was on the B team and I actually you know a lot of guys don't do it I was a senior guy. This art major came to me at the time and he looked at me and he goes dude, you're a senior guy, I really need you to help me on the B team. And and I didn't fight it at all, I was just like, hey, man, I do what I need to do. Like if, like, if you need me to help on the b team, I'll delay going to a team. And that, overall, landed me on two four, which was my very first team, you know. So, uh, you know I wanted to be a halo dude. We can get into that role later on, but you know, I wanted to be a halo dude.
Speaker 2:I thought my dream was jumping out of airplanes and doing all this crazy wrecky stuff, yeah. But uh, you know, I didn't know where I was going to go and by the end of the appointment I had three teams started fighting for me because I busted that my ass and worked so hard on the b team to help the b team and it was just from there.
Speaker 1:It was just history, man, like yeah, you see, everybody shits yeah, everybody shits on being on the b team and it, yeah, it's not fun, it sucks showing up as a brand new guy. But if you have the right mentality and you go in there hungry to learn and work, you're going to come out of that, out of that time, a better green beret, a better nco and you're going to be an asset to that team. Like it's one of the greatest experience. Looking back, being a young guy and going straight to the b team and having a team or an operations team start, it's like figure it the fuck out. Like all right if you go stray, if you stray a little bit, like I'll help you out, but figure it the fuck out.
Speaker 1:And that's a big big thing about being a Green Beret. You're going to be put in ambiguous situations and you're going to have to figure it out and that benefits you on the backside when you go into a business, when you become an entrepreneur, because your entire career you've had to figure it out. You've had to be like, hey, I'm the only person I can rely on. I'm gonna have to get these answers somehow, because I don't want to piss off hooten, I don't want to piss off the operations sergeant, I want to give them the right answer and knowing that, like, yeah, if I get to the point where I'm stuck, like, yeah, they're going to come along, they're're gonna help you out, and that's that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Knowing that backstory, knowing that's how you got your start, because that's how so many of us got our start in that time period where we uh showing up. When I showed up to aico, you know, uh, we showed up and it was just like, hey, uh, you're going to the b team. You have to figure this out and, as a young guy, change, reframing that mindset of like, oh man, I'm not in the detachment. Like, dude, you made it. Now you get to fucking earn your spot and, like you said, if you fucking hustle, teams are going to notice it and they're going to want you on their fucking team.
Speaker 2:Man, absolutely and as I, as I recall it, you didn't just show up to the b team, you showed up to my team first, as a matter of fact no, I was, I was a b team.
Speaker 1:I was a b team dude.
Speaker 2:Uh, going over there to support you guys, yeah ah, that's what it was I forget, because you know I remember you walking in the team, I might have been an angry fox at that point. Was I angry, yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, it was uh, two, six, two, four, and then at for like almost a month. I was the only dude on the B team with Major Key as the company commander, oh yeah, and freaking Doug as our warrant, and it was just like, yeah. And then Kirby showed up and a few other cats showed up and it's like all right, you help out. Two, four and two, six, do whatever they need. And it was just like you guys had just gotten back from downrange and Eric and Ozzyzy, all those dudes, it was just like walking in and trying to soak up every little bit of knowledge from all you guys and then, uh, being able to go to your, your archangel, and watch that whole process, that's where it's like, all right, I want to. I want to be a free fall guy like oh yeah, I do, I do remember.
Speaker 2:I vaguely remember that archangel and you were there with us, and then I remember going with you guys, uh, actually we went to archangel together and that was uh, you know, that was an eventful one and I do remember that and then uh those stories are classified.
Speaker 1:Oh man, dude, it's so. It's so amazing because, like being able to like go back through those stories are classified.
Speaker 1:Oh man, dude, it's so amazing because, like, being able to like go back through time and like look at the like, the way the careers panned out, like I was, you know, right behind you in so many different like facets of my career. Like I was a young free fall guy, you were a senior guy, you were my instructor. Like you, everybody thinks that a Green beret is just going to be on a team forever and they don't understand like the intricacies. Like you still have to develop and you still have to mentor others. Like when you were a jam instructor, that was huge. Like you, you actually like coached, mentored so many other jump master and free fall jump master guys throughout your career in seventh group.
Speaker 1:So many of us like, oh, our entire careers to joey being a great fucking instructor, dude, like how, how was that like for you? Because I remember you being on two, four, then becoming an instructor, like that's a huge thing that people don't talk about. Like wow, what is that mindset like? Because if part of us wants to be like, oh fuck, I don't want to leave this team, but in order to grow, in order to progress in your career, like you have to look for those opportunities to grow well, I think what I think what you, a lot of people, don't understand, is I didn't leave the team to do that, uh.
Speaker 2:So remember that was a tasker.
Speaker 2:So I yeah, yeah, yeah tasks to be a jump master instructor.
Speaker 2:So not only was I having to do team duties, like keep my job up, as as whatever I was doing on the team, which I think at that point I might have been the rear d for, uh, bravo, company, yeah, and I and I did, I taught jump master school and still would go to work and do work for the company, and then I would go teach jump master school and it was rough, I mean, like, um, I did a lot of that kind of stuff too and I, like I did it for free fall.
Speaker 2:That was the free fall class, correct? I volunteered for that as a team sergeant, just so I could make sure that you guys, I did it for the boys, to tell you the truth, man, that's that's why I did it. So I volunteered, so I can make sure that we had max pass rate, because I think I had three guys of my own in the course, yeah, and then you were in the course, and then was I not your free fall jump master, and your static line jump master too, cause I taught static line jump master.
Speaker 1:No, just static line. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, so cool.
Speaker 2:And then during that time, yeah, I've literally raised my hand because they needed somebody to do that and I was like you know what? I consider myself a really good jump master. I mean I'm pretty fast, I've been doing it for years. I mean I've done it for years, even before. Uh, little, little little. Do you know? Like I was a almost a corporal jump master, I failed the first time I went as a corporal. I had to reach a jump master school and that was the 82nd one.
Speaker 2:You know it was legit yeah you had to memorize pre-jump, you know like, and they were all on point. But yeah, so I considered myself to be a senior. I was already. I already had senior wings by the time we got to sf, so I considered myself to be a leader in the jump masters, like those guys. I kind of laughed at those guys when we'd run jump match operations. So I'm like, dude, I was like a senior jump master and I'd ran like 10 c17s at that point like a large package week jump at 82nd and these guys are messing up on the casa. So I'm like, hey, guys, like get together, and I wanted to make sure that I carried that standard into the training that you guys got, which I think we took that pretty serious. And uh, dude, I did that all the time, though, even with my guys. There's, you know, there's a seriousness about the training we take, but there's also a human aspect where we talk about like coach, train and mentor and make sure these dudes are going to be the best that they can be going forward.
Speaker 2:Because guess what, when you get on the ramp of an aircraft, you're getting on the ramp of the aircraft and you are the jump master, you're responsible for the aircraft and like I want you to walk out of school feeling like, hey, I can go do that job. Not I'm going to be scared or I'm going to be nervous or anything like that. I want you to be very confident in what you did. So I always tried to do that with my guys, you know like be like hey, look dude, I'd take him up there, like when it would go to jump after school. I'd be like, hey, come here, this is what I'm doing as we're in free fall. Like I would pull my dudes that were getting ready to go to jump after school out on the ramp with me and I'd be like here's how I spot. Like well, what if you can't lean down through the C-130 and look for the spot? And they're like that's so smart. That's why I never see you leaning out of the aircraft.
Speaker 1:I was like we're smarter, not harder, bro but no like that knowledge, that institute that institutional knowledge and that that love for the art of free fall is something that is really unique to like our, our enlisted individuals that follow that pipeline. And it's like. I've seen lots of great dudes, but the the ones that are like second nature, like you know and I've been blessed to serve with a couple of them on on a team like they live it 24 7. That's something I saw in you as well, like anytime, like you were in the air with joey, like you saw the passion behind, like everything you did you never half-assed it, it was never something that's like you.
Speaker 1:You see guys, just like any other job, that it's like jumping out of airplane can quickly become a monotonous duty, something it's like oh, whatever, dude, I'm going to fucking gonna jump, and it's like what the fuck dude? But when you see individuals such as yourself like that, take it not like just another day, like no, like when you're, when you're doing pre-jump with joey for free fall, when you're involved in that entire process, you see somebody that's really in their fucking element. And I and I have to ask, like now that you're on this side of the the, you know your life in this chapter, in this new chapter. Do you feel that draw? Are you, are you still just looking towards that with just kind of like missing it? Or is it something that you've been able to look at and just say you know what? That was an awesome part of my life and and I'm still like I'm chasing it in different ways now I think you hit it on the head right there.
Speaker 2:That last statement I'm chasing in different ways now. Um so um. That's the one thing that I struggled with. It wasn't the fact that I was leaving the team where I couldn't do the job anymore, because I am pretty broken, bro, I'm like you. If you told me I had to like go back and be a team sergeant, I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2:You know I have. I have a lot of. I have a pretty myriad of health issues too. You know, like there's like other stuff that's happened throughout our career, just being SF dudes. Uh, but I was so worried that all the stuff cause man, like I've learned so much and I'm really good at teaching people, like my lessons learned, cause remember, our lessons learned are in blood and when, whenever that that's very important to me and I'm very passionate about it. So if I can cause somebody to not make the same mistake and I get like there I feel like there's so much more for me to do.
Speaker 2:Even when I left regiment and I left, you know, first battalion and stuff I felt like the job wasn't done, and you understand after a little bit of being out that you know what it's their lessons to learn, too, though now you can prevent them from making those lessons, but that's the way we get better and that's the way what makes us who we are, as like, seasoned team guys and good team guys. You know, and, uh, my life now I use that. So, um, you know, I own two crossfit gyms. I have have a national-ranked weightlifting team my bad. I coach for a high school for free. I volunteer coach for the local high school.
Speaker 2:So last year, man like so I had offered to do it before and to another high school that my daughter went to. So my daughter's a national champion. She's also a two-time state champion for high school that my daughter went to. So my daughter's a national champion. She's also a two-time state champion for high school and I'm very proud of my kids, of course, but she is so awesome, she's three-time national champion. We're actually going to national this week. She will try to make her fourth national championship and I'm just pulling these kids in and I'm just imparting as much wisdom about life as we're doing weightlifting as I possibly can.
Speaker 2:There's a relationship, a human side to it too, to be a good coach. And what you don't understand too, is you see these coaches coaching on the high school level and they've never been taught how to coach. And I'll tell you one thing I am, I'm a great coach coach. And I'll tell you one thing I am, I'm a great coach, and I told, like, when I came into the coaching world with the guys who invited me, I tried to get into it a few times with the high schools here and it's very varsity blue style. You know the high schools, they don't really like outside influences, you know, influencing life or influencing anything that they've got going on, you know. But uh, I last year a coach reached out to me from the local high school which I live in Milton, so the Milton high school and he said, hey, would you mind taking one of my athletes to nationals? And he's a stud, he's going to make team USA. I got, I got three kids this year that be going to Ecuador, which I'm very biased with, you know, down South travels.
Speaker 2:So you know, I get in here and I start talking to them and, you know, first thing I tell them is hey, I have a tendency to do too much. Tell me if I overstep, like if I overstep, because I mean, you know me, man, I'm like you put, put a task in front of me. I'm going to be like bam, do this, do this. I'm going to go full team sergeant mode or full, like you know, operations. I ran a company before, heck, I've ran the whole S3X in Afghanistan, like I was the S3X in Afghanistan, so like I was running a countrywide operation at that point. So, yes, I have a tendency to outrun somebody or overstep them and I'm like, dude, it's not me, it's you, I'm doing all this, so you look good. And he told me.
Speaker 2:That's the one thing, that statement I said when we first started working with them. It was like, hey, this is going to be a beautiful relationship and me and like they're like my best. Two assistant the head coach and the assistant coach at Milton High School are like my two best friends right now. Uh, you know, I coach with them every day almost, and like what I found out when I got inside, there is nobody has really taught these guys how to coach and how to build a team, and you can't build a better team than somebody who just meets you and they're ready to lay their life down for you. Like that is team building, right.
Speaker 2:Anybody who ever walked into our team room like I don't care if you were an attachment, I don't care if you were like just going on that one mission. You felt like you were part of any team that I was in charge of. I guarantee that because that's what we do, because that is the kind of teams we got to build, because when we're going to be in the, in the fight and you know, denny, you can vouch for this, I've been in the fight, I'm not one of those rookie green berets you just talked to talk, man, I've definitely been in the fight, bro, and like you don't know how people are going to act, you don't know what's going to happen, you don't know if they're going to lose their cool or if something's going to go bad, but you do this so there's a security blanket that if we go out together, we come home together. And when we did that, it made the best teams. You know what I'm saying? Like that was how you build great teams.
Speaker 2:And I'm trying to tell these coaches like hey, listen, man, you can't just scream at these kids. You can't just scream at these kids. You can't just. You have to build a team, has to be founded on values, it has to have a culture, it has to be something that they want to be a part of, that they're proud to say they're a part of. And, man, I tell you what the little bit I said to them has changed their whole mindset last year on how they coach.
Speaker 2:And like we lit a fire underneath the whole coaching staff for all sports. I mean, nobody expected this last year Our girls team. So I coach girls and boys weightlifting now, and our girls team did really good. We sent four, five girls to state Our boys team nobody's seen it was like, hey, we're hopeful, we're a runner-up. We were running up in the state last year to a team who's also in the same county. So, yeah, so like we did it, man, and these kids are coming back and they're thirsty and they're like, hey, I wanted, I want it, and I'm like, let's go, you know. So that's kind of how I'm feeling, those wild oats of not being in front of green braids anymore, you know, and I still mentor and coach and call because they're gonna they're always gonna reach out and be like, hey, I'm doing this now and I'm see this problem and I'm like, yeah, man, I remember that problem too, I mean I'm sure you hear your fair share of things that go on in group, but you know I do too.
Speaker 1:That's that Green Beret influence, man, that's that Green Beret influence and it's it's something that I think can help other Green Berets and other soft professionals when they transition and help with that identity. What we don't realize is when you spend an entire career surrounded by teammates, helping teammates, being involved in solving problems, being of service to others, and then you unplug from that system, you're going to go into tailspin and one of the easiest things that you can do to help yourself is be of service to other people. Yes, start establish yourself within your community and and I I have a feeling and I'm going to ask this did you sort of understand that about yourself to like, hey, the closer I get into retirement, I need to get more involved in these sports in my gym in my community and start teaching and helping out a lot more to help ease that transition.
Speaker 2:To tell, you the truth, cap, I didn't man. It happened to me a little late. It happened to you guys. You know, I was helping you and eric whenever you guys were struggling really bad. Yeah, and and I was trying to understand it to myself because I knew it was coming for me I knew it was like a silent little demon that was gonna, that was gonna creep up on me. Um, when I knew, when I left seventh group, when I left, when I left the team, it was I had a really hard time, man, like things got really dark.
Speaker 2:Um, I started having, well, in afghanistan, like that trip the 2019 trip I started having panic attacks and I was keeping it very quiet, like I was starting, yeah, I was starting to like have panic attacks. I didn't know what they. I was keeping it quiet because I had no clue what they were. Yeah, no clue. And then, you know, I remember talking to kamich check a few times and, uh, he was like straight up hey, dude, like your heart's fine, everything's good, I think. I think it's stress and I was like I put it off and put it off and I made it through the trip, which was a, of course, you know, a rough trip. Yeah, so, um, so I get home, we get on the B team and I'll kind of I kind of mellow out a little bit. And then I did my B team time for almost like what a year and a half there and um, yeah, man, I left and he hit me like a ton of bricks and it was really bad and, uh, I was away from my family.
Speaker 2:My family stayed here in Florida and I was up there teaching Robin Sage and we were out on a, we were out on a scout in the lane or something like that. I was like I told my assistant instructor man, oh well, he actually was the lead for the instructor, I was actually coming to be the master for the lane and I told him I was like like, hey, man, we gotta go heart attack, but I'm having a heart attack, you gotta take me to hospital. And marshall finnegan was my commander there at robin sage. Yeah, he was, and, um, he called him, he called and I was like having a heart, I don't think I'm having a heart attack.
Speaker 2:And it was a straight panic attack, man, it was a straight panic attack and it was so bad. I was for like six months. I felt desperately alone and everybody's telling me you're going to be okay. And I was like no, there's something wrong. And and it got really bad, dude, it was like I was like I don't know what's going on with my body and it was like I don't even want to be alive if I got to deal with what this is going on.
Speaker 2:And, luckily, man, my wife, my wife, was a solid rock through all that. She was like she was the only thing that could calm me down and kind of say, hey, you know, everything's going to be okay, like you're going to be fine. And I tried to listen to her. But, you know, inside everybody's telling me it's okay. It's like I don't know what's going on and I had to get help and I got help and, you know, some of the help was, you know, I medically retired from the military because, um, you know, doc, the SOCOM commander um, not SOCOM commander, but the um, what's the SOC C commander? The dude over the medical stuff. He seen me and we had to talk about this and he was like, hey, I'm putting of the army dude, like it's time. And at that point, 28 years I'm like I've done enough.
Speaker 2:Um, you know and I was just kind of trucking along and he's like no man like you are really messed up, and they get into a myriad of all the issues I have, of course, and they're like okay, man, like it's time to set ways. And once we got home I still battled with it little bit, but being at home kind of leveled me back out and then pouring my heart and soul into other things. That's when we get into the answer to your question. That was kind of the thing I was missing. You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That helped me kind of like playing out and luckily, you know, I still feel it inside a little bit. Sometimes I can kind of like fight it off pretty good. But, um, for the most part you know it's gone because you know I've submerged myself into, you know, helping others. And another thing is, whenever we're talking about the transition for the military, I didn't realize that that this was going to be something that I was going to have to deal with. But I thought about what I was going to do when I got out, when I was still on 2-4 back in the day, and I got like a bonus.
Speaker 2:So, remember, my CrossFit gym has been in business for 13 years, bro, so I was a fox when I started that gym yeah so it wasn't until three years into that business when I realized, like I did, the same thing that we did as as first battalion. Remember when we went through the transition and we wrote the culture statement for yeah yeah, yeah, well, I had done that before we even that.
Speaker 2:So that's why I bought into the culture state so much and that's a funny story about the culture statement I bet you can remember too. But, um, you know I'd already done that for myself. As far as, like, setting my core values, and my number one core value that has been the entire time. It bled into my military career and it also bleeds into everything I do today is help first, like help everybody you come in contact with, no matter what. Like, if you come to me with an issue and I mean you can attest with this, I'm gonna drop what I'm doing right there and I'm gonna look you in the face and be like what can I do, what can we do to help?
Speaker 2:You know, I'm saying I've always tried to stick with that man the whole time, and once I did that and started, you know, being like a, a selfless servant what kind of like thing you know? Like, not really like. You know, just being like a, a leader servant basically is what's called a leader servant. Um, you know, my whole life changed. It's like I started helping people and and now I take pride in that, I take pride in the fact that, like everybody comes in contact with me, I'm gonna try to give them something that they can take away with them and help them, you know, and and that kind of is how I made that transition to to what I'm doing now, or got me on this path that I am now. Um, so I was kind of preparing before it, before I even knew that, because I knew when the military was done with me, it was done.
Speaker 2:Once the team's done. The big green army keeps rolling along. Man, it's in the song, they're going to keep going. You always think when you're a team guy, that you're irreplaceable. Or when you're a team sergeant, you're irreplaceable. Or when you're a Fox, you're irreplaceable. Or when you're a team sergeant, you're irreplaceable. Or when you're a Fox, you're irreplaceable. Or when you know you're this job, but I'm sorry, you're replaceable. Period. They just look at you as a number in a seat and you feel that when you go away and you can attest to this too, I know you can A hundred percent, man if you're lucky, if you are blessed, there will be a picture of you in a legacy wall somewhere and that's it, and your team is only your team.
Speaker 1:For and I thought I thought for for for so long that like, if I go warrant, or if, if I do this, I can stay in the team longer, and yeah, you can do that and you and you will stay on the team longer, but the team's going to change and then you're going to be the only one left from your greatest deployment or from your greatest trip and you're going to in a matter of just a few short months. You're going to look across that table and you're not going to recognize anybody and you're just going to be like, fuck, like it's that that endless summer thing that we chase, that perfect deployment, and it's man. I'm telling you, if you're listening and you're still in and you're in the fight, good, stay there. We need soft professionals. We're going to always need you, but when you know your time's coming up, embrace it. It's okay to look at the unknown and be excited. It's okay to say I got a wife, I've got kids and I want to take this next chapter and I'm not going to take the devil's money. I'm going to retire right at 20, or I'm going to ETS and start a family. It's okay to be excited about other aspects of life.
Speaker 1:We cannot be a warrior in uniform for our entire life and existence. We can't. You can be a warrior on the outside. You can be a devoted family member. You can do all those wonderful things. But you get to make that choice. You get to decide. The system doesn't. If you let the system do it for you, it's going to hurt, it's going to be painful. When they say you're too broken, you're too fractured, you need to leave and go sit down in some hallway, in some room by yourself. Fractured. You need to leave and go sit down in some hallway, in some room by yourself. Probably ask three, and it's not going to be fun. Don't do that. Take control of your, of your service, of your time and service. Be proud and be able to say you know what? This is my stop. I'm going to get out because it continues to roll.
Speaker 2:It does, man, and when you, when you, when you get out, you really see it. You see it, you see everything rolling on. And you know people ask me the same question. You kind of asked me the same question Do you feel like remorse or do you feel like you should be there? You know, you know there are always going to be times like you know, if we went to war tomorrow I'd be like, oh my God, I want to be out there kicking butt, you know, like shooting people in the face, like old days.
Speaker 2:You know, but I am perfectly content with the career I've had. Brother, I am like there's not many and I'm not trying to be, I'm trying to be as humble as I possibly can about this, but the stuff I've done in my career, from start to finish the 28 years, it's insane. Man Like you, you could write books about single deployments. That I've done. You know I'm saying and everybody asking when you're gonna write a book and I'm like, dude, I got too much going on right now to write any kind of book you know, but you can get a ghostwriter.
Speaker 2:I'll help you and the thing about it is is. But sometimes I'm selfish with my memories too, man, they're my memories and they're they're my things. They keep and I like that and I like sharing them with people and I, like you know, I share them with a lot of people. You know, we, a lot of people, tiptoe around my past because, like in the civilian world, they tiptoe around it because they know, like they meet me and they know, like dude, this dude just wasn't an average dude, he actually went out and got after it, or he they don't. They tiptoe around it because they don't want to talk about it, because they don't want to kind of be like, oh man, you know, whatever.
Speaker 2:Like uh, some of the kids were, we were having lunch yesterday. We were like having lunch and everybody's talking and I tell an army story. Every once in a while I'll tell a funny army story. I think it's something about like I took a poop off the back of an LMTV one time in Iraq, like while it was like I had one of my junior team leaders holding my hand as I'm pooping off the back of an LMTV. There's no moment in life that you can describe looking somebody in the face and it's like like he's, he's holding me. It was like it was like his young black guy too Right.
Speaker 1:Holding eye contact the entire time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're holding eye contact and he's like. His name was McLeod, I'll never forget his name and he was like my junior team leader, uh, as a squad leader, and he was like oh my God, he's pooping. He's pooping right now and I'm like dude, I gotta go. It's like you know nothing, nothing can like, nothing can take that away. You know what I'm saying and I was telling this story and the kids are looking at me. I'm crazy. And then everything gets quiet. And one of the kids was like so how many people have you killed? And I was like, well, you know, I mean, they're kids and like, the other kids are like dude, don't ask them that question, like what? And I'm like man, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. Yes, I have done some things. You know, I just like telling the stories, man, because I want them to understand what I've been through too. You know, because, like they meet people, meet me, and they're like dude, it's like this dude, he's always been fired up.
Speaker 2:I didn't even tell the coaches at the school that I was a Green Beret until. No, no, this is a funny story too. This is a funny story. So I'd been coaching for probably about a month and a half and uh, they told me, hey, we're not going to have practice today, we're getting a special guest speaker, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they told me who it was and it was like a local, local guy who was a green beret it's the same time as me and everything right. And I kind of grinned and they were like they're telling me all about what happened with this dude and stuff and he's talking to the their football team and stuff.
Speaker 2:And I was like giggling and we were sitting there. He's like why are you giggling for it? I look at him and I go, you don't have a background, right? And he was like no, not really. I mean I know you own two crossFit gyms and you like coaching and stuff. It's like I just retired, like a few months ago I did 28 years. You know I was a Green Beret too. He was like oh, my bad man. I'm like yeah, I don't really share it or whatever. But it was just really. It was a really funny interaction with those guys. I was like yeah, like, yeah, man, it's okay. I mean like you're cool, man, everything's cool. And they're like so they all like kind of tiptoed around me there for a little bit and they were like okay, then they start asking funny questions. Uh, so it was really cool, some junior e6 with one trip.
Speaker 1:So they're giving a resilience talk. Let me tell you about my summer in afghanistan. I did four months. Four months at camp brown I was like laughing.
Speaker 2:I'm like dude, yeah I got like nine combat deployments, bro. I've been there. Uh, you know, have you ever escaped in the bay of argentina this guy? What's up, dude?
Speaker 1:that story? Fuck you that story.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, when can you?
Speaker 1:when can you officially tell that story?
Speaker 2:cause that's man, I've told that story so much. There's no secret to that story it was straight up, we got set up politically.
Speaker 2:Uh, that was a straight political set up. Uh, and straight up, like we got seized at the airport, I got left to watch the gear and I got a call from you know, fred, back in the day you know I think fred's still in, by the way uh, and he goes, get out now and I'm by myself in argentina, right? So I'm like sitting there inside of the police custody watching a TV monitor that has all our stuff inside of a like a connex, like the back of a you know trailer thing, and all I get is get out now and I'm like hang up the phone and I'm like, okay, seer school circle, food, food, food. I need to eat, in broken spanish because we're in argentina, and I'm looking at them all like, hey, I need food, and uh, so like, okay, I need to get with my. You don't need to get with your supervisors. As a matter of fact, my spanish is very broken, so why don't you turn your radio down? How about that? How about you do that? Okay, yeah, he turns his radio down. We go get food. I'm looking, you do that. Okay, yeah, he turns his radio down. We go get food.
Speaker 2:I'm looking at anywhere and ditch this little guard dude, the airport police with me. And yeah, fred's calling me nonstop, my phone's ringing, but I don't want to look desperate and I'm like, okay, what can I do? Now I'm sitting at like truck with this police officer outside the airport and I'm like if I run he's gonna freak out like the americans ran away from me. And then I'm like, uh, okay, I need to answer the phone and tell them that they really need me at the embassy. So, like, answer the phone. And fred's like yelling at me through the phone and I'm like, hey, you really need me at the embassy, right in english. And I said why don't you tell this card in good spanish that you need me back at the embassy? And he's like it's like still yelling as I'm doing it. It's like what are you talking about? Like. So I hand the dude the phone and he tells him in spanish like hey, I really need that guy back at the embassy. So I'm like, okay, cool, well, I get back on the phone and he's like they're coming for you right now and I'm like what do you mean? Like I'm not trying to act as calm as I possibly can. He's like they've issued warrants for IRS. Like it's bad, everything's bad. You need to get to the embassy.
Speaker 2:And embassy is like an hour and a half away from the airport in Argentina, which I had no clue. Brand new SF guy, right. So, um, we're, we're like sitting there and I was. He's like, well, I gotta go talk to my supervisor to let you go. And I'm like, no, you don't, you don't have to do that, I can just leave right now, you know. And he's like no, no, no. And he made me leave my gun in a backpack that had the op fund, cause I just did the currency exchange in the in like the whole thing Right.
Speaker 2:So I'm like walking back and every time we go through a security point I'm just like I'm going to get arrested. I'm going to get arrested, I'm going to go to Argentinian Palmeiras prison and the force is going to have to rescue me. It's not going to be good. And I get back to the room where I'm watching the kind of surveillance thing and they're ripping everything out of the connects and they got like reporters there. They're like no, and I'm like, oh, that's not good, let's not look at that. That's that focus away from that, let's just focus on getting out of here. So his supervisor comes into the room and I'm looking at him and I'm like, hey, can you turn your radio down? Because I don't want him to call and be like, hey, where's this american sitting at rocking so I can come get him? And he says, oh, yeah, I'll turn my radio off. He turns the radio off and I'm like I talk to him and he's like, okay, well, he's good, he can leave. It's okay, everything's okay. And I'm like, yeah, apparently I'm like one step ahead of these guys. They're looking for me inside the airport. They don't know where I'm at.
Speaker 2:I go to turn in my badge. My badge says Danny, danny Martinez, which was I don't know if you knew Marty back in the day. He was old school, but he was my senior at the time and I'm like they're like you're Marty Martinez. I'm like yep, I'm Marty Martinez. Here's my badge. Give me my badge back. And then I went out and I get a cab and this dude's like I built so much rapport with this guy. He's like let me put you in a good cab. And I'm like just give me any cab. You know what I'm?
Speaker 1:saying he's like calling a special cab for me.
Speaker 2:I just like I'm going to go, just give me a cab. I'm going to the embassy. So he gets me a cab and we're in the cab and the cab dude is just straight up. If we weren't in Argentina, I would think we were in like New York City, and he's talking in spanish the whole time. He's driving right and I'm thinking that he's going to get a call from the airport telling to turn around. So if this car goes in the opposite direction, I had put my backpack against the door and I was just going to bail. I was going to like exit out of the video, exit out of the exit out of the the cab, hit the ground, roll and just make my way to whatever.
Speaker 2:We get to the embassy. Right, my whole team is plastered against the glass, like the whole team is plastered against the glass and I don't have any money to pay the cabin. I'm looking at him like I don't have any money and danny runs out and he's got some, some money and he pays him. I think it was pesos. Paid the dude. And I'm looking at everybody like what is going on? What are we doing here? And rass, that was rass's first trip. Yeah, yeah, rass, rass is like bro, bro, they're like we got three courses of action. We're going out on a carrier. They're gonna fly like a like a mu over and like lay the, the ch-53 down on the embassy, we'll get in it. We'll go to the carrier. Uh, we were going to steal vehicles and drive to the border and get to the other embassy in Bolivia or somewhere like that. We were going to get to their embassy and get out of the country. And then they're like or we just go back and sneak on with the air crew and I'm like what are we doing? And they're in there talking. You got the head dude, senior enlisted dude or senior officer of Argentina in there with us. We're all sitting in a room. He gave me a really cool coin. It's a bottle of her. That's my first bottle of her coin.
Speaker 2:And we're like we're just going to go to the attache's house and we're just going to sit there. And then we're at the attache's house sitting and eating with his family All the two fours in one house. She made us spaghetti. All the two fours in one house. She made us spaghetti. So we're eating spaghetti in Argentina.
Speaker 2:And the attache comes back into the room and he's like you guys need to purge everything Like your computers, your phones, your um. You don't take a knife, don't do nothing, none of this. He says. The likelihood of you guys going to jail tomorrow is 90%. We're like what we're going to do is we're going to put you in some dip plates whenever the air crew starts walking up. You guys are just going to blend in with the air crew and get back on the c-17 and I'm like, okay, sounds like a great plan, right? So, um, so we're there, we're in the van and we're all like puckered up and we're just looking around at our surroundings. We're sitting in like a 15 pack van and we see the air crew and the air crews walking to get into the actual airport security check, check line, right. And I'm like, okay, cool, this is cool, everything's cool, everything's all right. Like, be cool, just don't be suspicious.
Speaker 1:Act casual, don't be. Suspicious, don't be suspicious.
Speaker 2:So the air crew looks at us and goes what are you guys doing? And we're like shut up, and we're in the line and I'm the first dude in the line, right, and they get my passport and they have our pictures. At this point they have our pictures plastered on the paper. They had our pictures in the airport and the passport security dude, straight up, looks at me and then I take my passport back and I put the op fund in the passport, the whole op fund, and I hand it back to him, I swear to God, and he literally opens the back thing and we just go around security and we're going straight to the plane. No, no, no. This makes it even funnier story, because that was a big deal. Okay that I did that. So we knew if we got on the plane, we're on US soil. Did you know that? If you're on a?
Speaker 1:plane no, no idea.
Speaker 2:I had no clue either. I had zero clue about this right. No, no idea, I had no clue either. I had zero clue about this right. So all they got to do is open the door. But the plane has like dudes with MP5s like all around them and they're refusing to let us get close to the plane. So at that point I think, like Hillary Clinton was involved. I don't know some crazy stuff. I didn't know what's going on. I'm just trying to get on the plane.
Speaker 2:So we leave all our gear, all our weapons, everything. We left everything and all we have is our backpacks with whoopies and we get inside the plane. It was the best feeling of our lives. I'm. I'm like you know, like thank you, jesus. Like I was definitely going down, we were going to be put in jail. They'll force me, kicking in the door, be liberated. Like serious school, like this is very bad.
Speaker 2:And the air crew comes down and they're like what is going on? They like have no clue what's going on. So we tell them about the whole situation and they're like, okay, well, they said they, they revoke the diplomatic clearance on the aircraft, like it can't fly, like over over south america, so we end up with no food, a woobie, right, we fly way out over the ocean, like like 12 hours out over the ocean and we fly back in and land at panama to refuel, right, damn, freezing. Like laying on the floor of c17 with a woobie like freezing starving, and we stop in panama. We-17 with a whoopee like freezing starving. And we stop in Panama. We're eating like a Toblerone at like 2 in the morning, like here's a Toblerone. You know what I'm saying? We're sharing. Like me, jason and Eric are like breaking the Toblerone apart, like eating it.
Speaker 2:And we get back to Bragg Like that's when we were still at Bragg, remember and they like shuttle us, like we're criminals, into a van and I'm like what did we do? Yeah, I'm like I don't understand what we did. And they're like so we get there to back to the group and they lock us in the team room and they're like we're tired, we have nobody slept, like we've been through this whole ordeal. I'm sitting there and they're like write sworn statements. Well, of course, my sworn statement's like insane because, like everybody else is at the embassy, safe, here's joey, out, lone and afraid, like running around argentina, like I don't I don't even know what I'm doing, like, just by the grace of god, I made it back to the embassy and didn't get arrested. And I you know, my sworn statement is huge.
Speaker 2:And then Colonel Cathal, who was the S3 at the time you remember Cathal? Right, yeah, he calls me into his office and he goes you gave the op fund to the customs agent. And I'm like, yes, sir, I did. We had to get out of the country. And he was like, damn, that was a good call. He's like the paperwork we're gonna have to do right now. Brother, I was like you owe me. And I'm like, yes, sir, I do.
Speaker 2:So we end up like on a press conference with the supposed to be the president but like here's oh shit, here's your former team leader, christian Assy, right, yeah, uh, you know, chris and Rass are like getting drilled and it comes down to it's my fault. It wasn't my fault the whole time, so they ended up pinning it on me. All right, I did not write a serial number for a spare barrel down correctly and one like him, for we had. It was like a two and a four. Yeah, cause I'm dyslexic mostly, but you know. But yeah, so they're like it's Joey's fault, you're getting reprimanded. You're getting like. Rask got a reprimandation and Chris got pulled off the team and I'm like we didn't even do anything.
Speaker 2:Man like we, we were a straight political ambush and I was like, oh my god, this is crazy man. And then I got Sears School calling me, like hey, can you debrief us on how you got out of this situation? Like they post our picture on the Pajina Dose, you know, like here we are, dan king's like framed it, and now there's a picture at sears school of a c17. It says green beret team, blah, blah, blah. And I walked into sears school. Uh, when I was at a sage instructor, I went to a liberation. It was actually um, uh, so um, our old nbc guy what was his name? Kane. Remember kane?
Speaker 2:yeah yeah, I went to his liberation of sears school yeah, so I'm there, I'm there to see him and we're in there and fred walks me into the back room there and he goes hey, check this article out. This is one of our scenarios at sear and I was like, I know that guy, you know like, so I signed it. I guess eric had signed it too, but I signed it too. Yeah, so it's pretty awesome man Like. That career has been insane man. There's the whole story. You got it Live and uncut.
Speaker 1:The crazy, the crazy shit that you can experience. You know, hey it. You never know. You never know when you're going to be put in that situation where it's like, okay, uh, sink or swim time.
Speaker 2:And you fucking swam the integrity of my booty hole was that. I know, son, we going there. Like I know, prison is bad in. America like in a foreign country. Not, son, you, you definitely you're going, you you're like no, we ain't doing that no, we're not. I will not be anybody's bitch girl master I am done with that right like for real but come out of high water.
Speaker 1:We're getting out of argentina. We did, we sure did, man it was crazy.
Speaker 2:That's what it's fun to tell, and I, you know, I hear everybody, I always I tell that story a pretty good bit. I mean, everybody always asks or tiptoe around asking, but it is what it is. There wasn't nothing. There wasn't nothing highly classified about that, we just got out yeah, and I think uh, I think somebody went and got our gear like almost a year later.
Speaker 2:It was uh, wow, he recently retired as a colonel for DCO, but he was our company commander at the time and uh, yeah, it was his first name and he went. He went back and got our gear and, uh, they re-inventoried it and brought it back. It stayed down there for a year.
Speaker 1:All our team gear.
Speaker 2:We couldn't train, couldn't, couldn't deploy, couldn't do nothing.
Speaker 1:But now it's been repatriated and it's back on soil. Yeah gonna do nothing, but now it's been repatriated.
Speaker 2:It's back on soil.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, hell yeah brother, dude, so real quick. What are the uh, what are the gyms, man, uh, and anybody wants to get in contact with you. How can we reach out?
Speaker 2:uh, so, uh, 3p fitness that's our gym and pace, and then I have src fit milton. Uh, those are there and you guys can look up 3p weightlifting on instagram. Uh, our team will be competing in pittsburgh next week and, uh, if you're ever in town and pace or milton and want to drop into one of the gyms, all the green berets of course get a free drop in fees. Uh, bob list, I'll just left. He, he was a good member of the gym and yeah, man, that's about it. You can find me on Instagram. Just search Joey Palladino and you can find me. I'm not hidden. I got no secrets.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, and if you go home and you can't find your mom, she's probably out with Joey. That's one of the greatest secrets that it's not so well kept. Joey's forticates with everybody's mom so well kept.
Speaker 2:Uh, joey's, uh forticates with everybody's mom, that's for sure. And so to the fact that somebody bought me a shirt the other day that said, if golf was easy to be your mom, I was like, yes, sir, you're darn right joey, thank you so much for being here, man.
Speaker 1:Uh, dude, I absolutely love you, man, it's it's a great honor to have you on and, uh, thank you for sharing your story, man yes, dude, it's a great pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2:And, dude, I'm glad to see you doing so well and I always follow and support your stuff. And dude man, just like kudos, brother kudos hell yeah, brother.
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